caseys Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I suppose this really does bring it home http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/06/04/2010-06-04_bp_spill_spreads_to_pensacola_florida_white_beaches_blotted_with_oily_tarballs.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 Actually the rig is owned and operated by Transocean and thus their responsibility, The major contracted company was Haliburton,both US owned companies-it's not quite so easy to point fingers let alone prosecute As to Obama, the Nobel prize winner!,I guess given for not being G Bush- Time will tell........ If you keep shooting from the hip,you will end up shooting your foot off . Obama will soon find this out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 How big is that oil spill...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/#loc=Westminster%2C%20London%2C%20UK&lat=51.5001524&lng=-0.1262362&x=-0.1262362&y=51.5001524&z=7 makes you think doesnt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Ha! Too slow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 not really, my link shows what the oil spill would be like if it's centre was in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Transocean owns the rig and they very well may share in the liability, but BP leased it. It's the same concept as a child damaging a neighbors property, and the parents being liable. Jag, that BS rhetotic is great for Fox news, but now that oil is decimating the gulf region, all that talk goes right out the window. The hole is still open and still gushing, and everyday it gets worse. http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100504_oilbeach.h2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 not really, my link shows what the oil spill would be like if it's centre was in London. FM.... london to nearly Bournemouth. It does help gain a little perspective. Then you've got to think of the cubic volume of that oil, the ppm in the water that it's probably got to... I always wanted to go see New Orleans and that area, sample the food and the jazz. Last time I looked Katrina hit there... and now this Maybe the world needs to pump some serious money & R&D into hydrogen fuel now.... not that this I think will be a wakeup call when there's still money to be made off oil. Well Eric, you've certainly made me remember not to take the beaches I'm by for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I used to go to Fort Walton every year for holiday because the waters were clear and the the sand was sugar white. Now that the gulf is a giant toilet, there's no point in going anywhere near there other than to help with the cleanup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 You'll have to go abroad then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Transocean owns the rig and they very well may share in the liability, but BP leased it. It's the same concept as a child damaging a neighbors property, and the parents being liable. Jag, that BS rhetotic is great for Fox news, but now that oil is decimating the gulf region, all that talk goes right out the window. The hole is still open and still gushing, and everyday it gets worse. http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100504_oilbeach.h2.jpg Is it true that the Russians drilled to 42000ft before this attempt by BP? Perhaps they'll be asked for help eventually since they apparently have more experience in deep drilling and managed not to blow a gasket? They have some quite advanced submarines. Interesting that Jagman mentions Halliburton as Dick Cheney was CEO for a time and doubtless still has strong influence. He was also most directly responsible for 'orchestrating' 9/11 by all acounts. Rhetoric it may be but until the dots are connected it will all be treated as individual 'incidents' and the same old faces continue their agenda. This was never necessary anyway as The U.S. has more oil onshore than the entire Middle East. Forgive the pun but they are trying to flood the market with cheap oil to bankrupt the Saudis etc. since the embargo in 1973-4. Listen to Lyndsey Williams on Rense.com for inside knowledge of the bigger picture. I remember when he called the price rise to $150 a barrel from about $75 and back down to $50 recently and it went lower than that. Whatever happens now, this will be used as another excuse for higher prices as previously suggested. You can write it down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 Transocean owns the rig and they very well may share in the liability, but BP leased it. It's the same concept as a child damaging a neighbors property, and the parents being liable. Jag, that BS rhetotic is great for Fox news, but now that oil is decimating the gulf region, all that talk goes right out the window. The hole is still open and still gushing, and everyday it gets worse. http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100504_oilbeach.h2.jpg When this story first broke , I took an interest to find out more ,partially as my Brother is in the oil game . On seeing the technical difficulties, I thought people simply do not inderstand the enormity of the problem -its HUGE!! At that point Obama and the US govt should have taken control and asked for world wide assistance to stop the leak , But NO they left it fair and square at BPs door -BPs mess,BPs clean up ,BPs fix ... Then they consulted the Law to see how much they would be liable for ....oops only $75 million , and they cant alter the law to act retrospectively .... Now more and more Americans are becoming aware of the scale of the problem and the cost ... so only then do they decide to prosecute ,why ? , because the fines are much higher and related to each barrel of oil spilled - not because Obama has balls For the Americans to take the moral high ground and wave the ECO flag given their history of consumption and pollution is almost laughable .it seems that it matters not ,,,until it affects the USA The solution to stopping the flow will probably require some sort of controlled explosions to blow the pipe closed or the fissure in the earth closed , but when I first posted this topic , the govt should have been full on testing any and all means of closing the pipe on a world wide basis of knowlwdge not sitting back and pointing at BP - Legally -a mess, ecologically- a mess ,and politically -a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Blame the bad foreigners. The classic government policy of all countries (ours included). I liked the way Obama called BP "British petroleum" when they haven't been that for nearly a decade. They are a multinational company these days. There is no doubt BP are responsible and should clean up this mess. Investiugate what went wrong learn from it and improve procedures Calls to seize assets and prosecute / imprison people isn't the way to sort this. Mind you mid term elections are coming up in the us aren't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 BP is being blamed because it's BP's responsibility.. period. Same as if it would be Exxon's mess. I do happen to think that fines, imprissionment, and siezure of properties/oil rights is a the right thing to do. For what BP is repsonsible for, BP can burn. Also concerning the $75M liability cap, that figure goes out the window if the parties liable are convicted of negligence or are proven to have violated laws. Hence the criminal invesigation. Tony Hayward's not walking away from this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 The blame,as such, should be squarely landed on the environmentalists that stopped this drill from being completed on land. That issue forced the drill to be done from the sea. Oil is king after all. Main complaint here, it's a damn sight easier to control a leak / disaster on land than it is from the sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 That's exceeedingly abstract. What's real is this http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 That's exceeedingly abstract. What's real is this http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html Seeing the hurt Cowboy. But your masters are king. We went to war over the Falklands for a reason. That reason is oil. We can drill from the Falklands to the Antarctic. It's worth it because it's oil. No one gives a damn about the damage. One thing about this though, the oil companies have sat on every patent that helps us be less dependant on oil for generations. You guys have the clout to get this out. Do it and save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Seeing the hurt Cowboy. But you're masters are king. We went to war over the Falklands for a reason. That reason is oil. We can drill from the Falklands to the Antarctic. It's worth it because it's oil. No one gives a damn about the damage. One thing about this though, the oil companies have sat on every patent that helps us be less dependant on oil for generations. You guys have the clout to get this out. Do it and save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Transocean owns the rig and they very well may share in the liability, but BP leased it. It's the same concept as a child damaging a neighbors property, and the parents being liable. I don't know the official set up re the rig and who owns what but usually the person renting a property is responsble for the consequences whilst they own it. I expect though that BP is a much better target for people to blame as they have more money and ability to assist with trying to fix it. I really do hope it gets better and it is fixed. I hope the destruction is minimised if that is possible. I also hope that the party that deserves blame gets it rather than shot gun hangings that we all regret. For what BP is repsonsible for, BP can burn. If we took that attitude the whole of the US would have been burnt years ago. For the Americans to take the moral high ground and wave the ECO flag given their history of consumption and pollution is almost laughable .it seems that it matters not ,,,until it affects the USA Well he summed my opinion up nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It's easy to take that stance when the white cliffs of Dover aren't being turned black, or the entire channel turned into the tar pits. Let your water supply be poisoned and entire means of income be destroyed and we'll see how sympethic you are. BP has not come to the table in solving this problem, and now it seems they're more concerned with capturing the oil than stopping the leak. If you're dreaming to even imply that BP should be in any way let off the hook or relaxed in this, then it's time to wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It's easy to take that stance when the white cliffs of Dover aren't being turned black, or the entire channel turned into the tar pits. You obviously haven't been to Dover lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hahaha... no, not lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Transocean owns the rig and they very well may share in the liability, but BP leased it. It's the same concept as a child damaging a neighbors property, and the parents being liable. I don't really agree with you. If you are a landlord and someone trashes the apartment you rent to them and then promptly leaves, you would be expected to deal with the damage. I believe Transocean was the same company responsible for another rig disaster 31 years ago. Oddly enough the same measures were used - and failed - to try and stem that flow - by the same owners. This is an absolute disaster (and very scary at that) and I hope something stops this leak soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 BP has admitted and accepted responsibility in this matter so the quetion of who is makign this right is moot. It's already been answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Ultimately we are ALL responsible for it, our demand for oil is what has fueled this (pun intended)... We are the end consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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