wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 (edited) I wondered if anyone could guide me as to what’s going on? I was just pulling away at a roundabout when it suddenly happened! I’ve lost all power steering and it sounds like someone really is trying to strangle a large cat under the bonnet. I’m guessing the power steering pumps gone or locked up and the belts still trying to turn it? Also got the car home ok, (good job I’m strong) but when I went out to the car and started it for someone to listen to 10 mins later the yellow oil can light was now flashing on the dash? I hope it’s only the power steering pump, has any one done one before is it the whole front end to bits to change?? Please any advice or help would be sound. Cheers, Sorted now, thx for the feedback guys it was the crank pulley after all! Matt. Edited May 30, 2010 by wallis (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sounds like you ran out of power steering fluid have you checked it. If that's ok then the bearing has seized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sounds like you ran out of power steering fluid have you checked it. If that's ok then the bearing has seized Its full of fluid just serviced the car this weekend, typical. Hopefully its just the bearing seized the yellow fuel can light flashing on the dash has me clenching though! cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sounds more like the crank pulley has gone. THe oil level light on the dash is a bit worrying though as I can't see how that would be caused by anything other than losing oil from the engine. Have a search for 'crank pulley' here and you'll find lots of thread describing how to check it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Please any advice or help would be sound. Cheers, Matt. you need to look at the path your auxillary belt is taking and look very closely at the lowest pulley........a picture or two would help. Do you have a 14mm spanner? If so whip the belt off and check all the pulleys can move...........how far was the drive home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sounds more like the crank pulley has gone. THe oil level light on the dash is a bit worrying though as I can't see how that would be caused by anything other than losing oil from the engine. Have a search for 'crank pulley' here and you'll find lots of thread describing how to check it. Thx mate, going to search through it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Its full of fluid just serviced the car this weekend, typical. Hopefully its just the bearing seized the yellow fuel can light flashing on the dash has me clenching though! cheers. When you say it just been serviced, did you drain the old fluid out, if so you may have an airlock it's a regular problem. Other than that what fluid was put in, as the fluid low warning light would only come on if it's an airlock or possibly the wrong type of fluid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 (edited) you need to look at the path your auxillary belt is taking and look very closely at the lowest pulley........a picture or two would help. Do you have a 14mm spanner? If so whip the belt off and check all the pulleys can move...........how far was the drive home? Thx for the advise mate, the drive home was less than a mile, i changed the pads and serviced the brakes on sunday and was just taking it out for a test drive as it was nice and sunny. Im going to go out side now and whip the belt off to see whats moving and whats not. Cheers. Edited April 27, 2010 by wallis (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 (edited) Sounds more like the crank pulley has gone. THe oil level light on the dash is a bit worrying though as I can't see how that would be caused by anything other than losing oil from the engine. Have a search for 'crank pulley' here and you'll find lots of thread describing how to check it. The fluid light can come on for the powersteering fluid as well, mine was coming on when I was trying to get an airlock out of mine Edited April 26, 2010 by DodgyRog Crap At typing on my mobile (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 The fluid light can come on for the powersteering fluid as well, mine was coming on when I was trying to get an airlock our of mine Never knew it did that, you learn something new every day here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Never knew it did that, you learn something new every day here I try to, but I seem to know so much already lol:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 The fluid light can come on for the powersteering fluid as well, mine was coming on when I was trying to get an airlock out of mine Thats good to know then im guessing thats why the lights flashing then, the fluid was only topped up as i serviced the brakes and changed the pads on sunday. Thx for the info mate im going out to whip the belt of now to see whats going on. thx . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Just took the belt off and it seems the steering pumps turning but not very easily and it turns lumpy, so i guess its foooked. Anyone changed one before..... big job? I guess i better find one first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Just took the belt off and it seems the steering pumps turning but not very easily and it turns lumpy, so i guess its foooked. Anyone changed one before..... big job? I guess i better find one first. It's not such a difficult job, but finding a good 2nd hand one is very difficult. New they are very expensive. Did it pass the crank pulley test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sounds like the bearing has gone. It can be replaced with basic mechanical knowledge. If you do a search there is a link to the right bearing in a thread somewhere, sorry I would have a look for it but I am on my mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 If you are going to bin this one, can I have it please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 It's not such a difficult job, but finding a good 2nd hand one is very difficult. New they are very expensive. Did it pass the crank pulley test? The crank pulley seems fine its only the power steering pump which is not turning very well, i think i will take it off tommorrow night and inspect it to see if it can be repaired with a kit or something? Typical expensive part.......always my luck! thx again guys for the help its always appreciated ive not been on here in ages but everyones always helpful, cheers. m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 When I get on the computer I will do a search for the bearing for you, just watch this thread and I will post it up for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 This is the thread with the link for bearing I got... http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=195707&highlight=power+steering+noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 The fluid light can come on for the powersteering fluid as well, mine was coming on when I was trying to get an airlock out of mine I think this is incorrect. In fact I am damn sure it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I think this is incorrect. In fact I am damn sure it is! If it's wrong I apologise, but when I was having a problem getting the last of the airlock out of mine recently the light would come on when the car was first started and the steering turned stiffly. When I actually managed to get the last of the air out of the system it stopped doing it. It's a yellow/orangy light with an oil can and fluid wave under it, all my fluid levels were fine, it's my daily drive and I check them weekly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I think this is incorrect. In fact I am damn sure it is! Im with Chris, theres no level sender in the power steering system. The yellow oil can is engine oil level. M Wallis where in Lincs are you? Ive experienced crank pulley and power steering pump probs, if you want me to have a look Im in Lincoln and back this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Best way to de aerate the PAS is to slowly top up with engine running and front wheels off the ground *SLOWLY* turning from *ALMOST* full lock to opposite full lock a few times. Then leave engine off overnight and top up again. Constant messing lock to lock with a system with air already in it will just aerate it more and it'll take ages to settle down. Leaving overnight allows the air to escape naturally, like leaving a carbonated drink on the bedside table overnight and finding it flat in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 Thx for all the feedback guys, I started work this afternoon, which was to remove the ps pump however when I actually took the belt off to remove it at the bottom of my under tray was the outer section of my crank pulley! It’s literally in two parts, sheared off clean? I didn’t notice last night it was getting dark and I was convinced it was the ps pump anyway. So it’s my crank pulley which has fallen to bits not the ps pump, Thx rob for the reply about the ps pump u had for sale much a appreciated mate but it’s a new crank pulley I need now, it looks like u might be able to change it without stripping the front down but I bet u cant....lol Looks like I better get searching for a new one on here. cheers and thx again, m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I may have an ultra low mileage used one for sale in the next few days as a customer wants one of those American things fitting to a car he's bought, and it only had a new stock one on it very recently. Let me know by e-mail or phone if interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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