DanGX Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Going back to an earlier comment about why the parties won't do anything about it, I read a reasonable explanation as to why at least the labour party won't do anything. Again, there may be a few inaccuracies, but it's how I remember it. My understanding is that Labour won't do anything because the scroungers make a huge part of their core voters. Labour can always rely on getting approximately 30% of the overall vote. This 30% is split into 3 categories. Broadly speaking immigrants, hardcore supporters/socialists and scroungers. So to an extent, this is why we never see anything done about our policy on immigration, never see anything done about our welfare culture and why the racism or human rights card is thrown at us by labour politicos everytime these points are raised. Asside from the fact it that these policies are socialist by nature, it's in their interest to keep these sectors appeased. Therefore, all labour has to do to stay in power is win over swing voters and poach voters for other parties. Also, my understanding is that the voting system is rigged in favour of labour in that the likes of conservatives and lib dems have to work harder to win constiuencies since key labour heartlands actually have a higher populations that those compared to lib dems and conservatives. So historically speaking, a high voter turn out usually works in favour of labour whereas a lower turn out usually works in favour of conservatives. Again, that's how I understand it. Bring back Fascism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 ....why aren't ANY political parties talking about doing anything about it? Is the benefit-scrounging demographic too large to p*ss off? Exactly what I've been thinking! I've looked around for substance from all 3 main parties about what they intend to do about the Benefit Culture, but haven't found anything so far. Whichever party comes up with a credible, believable plan to stop people milking the benefits system, they'd very likely get my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Plethora Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 With something like this you always risk harming people who genuinely need it unfortunately. I still think you could resolve this almost overnight if you gave the money in vouchers and not paid into the bank. The vouchers would only be used in certain stores (clothes, food) and would have restrictions on them so that you cant buy sky TV, playstations, booze, fags and micro chips! There is a town a few miles away and the council house area was given free of charge £100 in B&Q vouchers to tidy the house up and spend on anything they want such as a coat of paint for the original tatty cream paint put on in the 70s. The vouchers came through and they were selling them outside B&Q for cash. Now whilst its not perfect I still think vouchers are the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzzzythedog Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 the system runs like this , you have kids , no-one has a right to tell you otherwise , no-one has a right to say how many or try to restrict this , the dole system is such that if you lose your job you dont face starvation , it pays a little to get you by untill you find alternative employment thats the simple version , however half the comments here which arnt jokeie are based on daily mail/there coming to getcha stupidity , yes people abuse the system but dont believe the facts displayed here , theres no way they are getting 42 grand a year and theres no way professional dole wallas would be stupid enough to show they arnt acctively seeking work as the money would stop , this entire articule is b/s and everyones getting all excited for no reason , your being taken in personnaly i think every child concieved whilst recieveing should not be paid out for , there would be no reason to try to create kids to further the dole payments or perpetuate the claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 ...There's no way they are getting 42 grand a year and there's no way professional dole wallas would be stupid enough to show they aren't actively seeking work as the money would stop , this entire articule is b/s and everyones getting all excited for no reason , you're being taken in I dunno...I could imagine getting in da newzpaper is well wicked. They may just be stupid enough and vain enough to do this. Although you may be right. In a sense I hope you're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aman00123 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Either way, no political party will ever change the welfare system in this country as it is political suicide. The only way to get around it is to get out of this country, which is a very sad but true! I love England and wouldn't really want to move anywhere but if the cost of living here continues to rise as it is I will certainly be moving as soon as I can, I refuse to pay for people to sit around and get money for nothing That's just my view on it, I may be wrong but as far as I can see, if the NHS and welfare system in this country is not reformed/changed then I can't see a way out for the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 So, basically, the general, hard working tax paying majority, are paying to bring up a degenerate, benefits scrounging population that will eventually mean they will become the majority, and because the former won't ever be able to take time off to raise their own kids, if they had the chance, as someone needs to pay for these 'people's' upkeep?! The country will implode! I'd like the chance to have a family, but I choose to work as my way of making a living, as it's a better way of living than scrounging off the state. Or is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzzzythedog Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I dunno...I could imagine getting in da newzpaper is well wicked. They may just be stupid enough and vain enough to do this. Although you may be right. In a sense I hope you're not. i could find out as my sisters a civil servant but i believe its £90 plus £56 per kid so about 450-500 a week or about £25,000 a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Either way, no political party will ever change the welfare system in this country as it is political suicide. The only way to get around it is to get out of this country, which is a very sad but true! I love England and wouldn't really want to move anywhere but if the cost of living here continues to rise as it is I will certainly be moving as soon as I can, I refuse to pay for people to sit around and get money for nothing That's just my view on it, I may be wrong but as far as I can see, if the NHS and welfare system in this country is not reformed/changed then I can't see a way out for the UK Which country would you prefer and why? Afghanistan? USA Haiti Senegal India Brazil Greece China etc... The country will implode! I'd like the chance to have a family, but I choose to work as my way of making a living, as it's a better way of living than scrounging off the state. Or is it? Perhaps it's been like this for eons...in a sense survival of the fittest (or fattest) In short, perhaps we've always been paying for the dickhead element, but I'm more interesed in bettering myself. Yes I pay my taxes and some of it will go to the lazy types etc, but in the meantime I've got a nice standard of living thanks so I'll just crack on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 i could find out as my sisters a civil servant but i believe its £90 plus £56 per kid so about 450-500 a week or about £25,000 a year Ah, but I presume their house & council tax costs are in addition to your sums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 So, basically, the general, hard working tax paying majority, are paying to bring up a degenerate, benefits scrounging population that will eventually mean they will become the majority, and because the former won't ever be able to take time off to raise their own kids, if they had the chance, as someone needs to pay for these 'people's' upkeep?! The country will implode! http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=157630 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzzzythedog Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Ah, but I presume their house & council tax costs are in addition to your sums? unsure of rent as its hard to believe the articule , they could be home owners ? they could be renting ? hard to say , council tax will be the lowest band so a grand a year , its all really unknown such as there claiming income suport so will recieve less money from other claims and yet theres sla listed so the accual money they recieve could be low and its made up with child tax credits based on the dla of approx £205 , lets just say i would be suprised if they recieve much more than 25k in monetry terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 lets just say i would be suprised if they recieve much more than 25k in monetry terms Still more than me then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 unsure of rent as its hard to believe the articule , they could be home owners ? they could be renting ? hard to say , council tax will be the lowest band so a grand a year , its all really unknown such as there claiming income suport so will recieve less money from other claims and yet theres sla listed so the accual money they recieve could be low and its made up with child tax credits based on the dla of approx £205 , lets just say i would be suprised if they recieve much more than 25k in monetry terms The Davey family's £815-a-week state handouts pay for a four-bedroom home, top-of-the-range mod cons and two vehicles including a Mercedes people carrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 unsure of rent as its hard to believe the articule , they could be home owners ? they could be renting ? hard to say , council tax will be the lowest band so a grand a year , its all really unknown such as there claiming income suport so will recieve less money from other claims and yet theres sla listed so the accual money they recieve could be low and its made up with child tax credits based on the dla of approx £205 , lets just say i would be suprised if they recieve much more than 25k in monetry terms 25k with everything paid for is still a large sum of disposable cash... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 25k with everything paid for is still a large sum of disposable cash... Why yes. It's almost as much as our monthly moderator fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 25k with everything paid for is still a large sum of disposable cash... Over 2k a month tax free, that amounts to a shed load more for joe bloggs tax payer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 25k with everything paid for is still a large sum of disposable cash... And that is much, much more than I have... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 "Mrs Davey has never had a full-time job while her 35-year-old husband gave up his post in administration nine years ago after realising they would be better off living on the state. " It makes my piss boil........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aman00123 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Which country would you prefer and why? Afghanistan? USA Haiti Senegal India Brazil Greece China etc... If I was to move it would be to USA or Australia, as they are both developed economies with excellent standards of living whilst the costs of living aren't as high as the UK. Plus I have family in both countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 If I was to move it would be to USA or Australia, as they are both developed economies with excellent standards of living whilst the costs of living aren't as high as the UK. Plus I have family in both countries I'm not sure just how wonderful the USA economy is right now - not exactly peachy last time I looked. There's no NHS - so if you can't afford the expensive health insurance, there'll be no nice stay in hospital, if rquired. Massive crime there too. Proportionately larger than here in the UK. This leaves Australia - full of feckin criminals What would you do to earn a living in your two countries of choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 What would you do to earn a living in your two countries of choice? Have 14 kids. Oh no.... wait....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aman00123 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I'm not sure just how wonderful the USA economy is right now - not exactly peachy last time I looked. There's no NHS - so if you can't afford the expensive health insurance, there'll be no nice stay in hospital, if rquired. Massive crime there too. Proportionately larger than here in the UK. This leaves Australia - full of feckin criminals What would you do to earn a living in your two countries of choice? US economy drives the global economy, yes their economy aint great but have you seen ours? As for healthcare - they have just passed a new bill for people without it. Plus if you get a decent job you get a portion of your healthcare payed for. Crime is everywhere just depends where abouts you decide to live. Australia may be full of criminals but have you seen the beaches and most importantly.... the women? As for earning a living, once I've graduated I would hopefully get a graduate scheme, or move once I have built up experience over here. As I said before I have family in both countries who have lived there for years and would know about which areas to live in or not etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 US economy drives the global economy, yes their economy aint great but have you seen ours? As for healthcare - they have just passed a new bill for people without it. Plus if you get a decent job you get a portion of your healthcare payed for. Crime is everywhere just depends where abouts you decide to live. Australia may be full of criminals but have you seen the beaches and most importantly.... the women? As for earning a living, once I've graduated I would hopefully get a graduate scheme, or move once I have built up experience over here. As I said before I have family in both countries who have lived there for years and would know about which areas to live in or not etc etc Bin man it is. Hope you enjoy your work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holeshot Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Which country would you prefer and why? Afghanistan? USA Haiti Senegal India Brazil Greece China etc... Brazil... No matter how bad life is or how poor you are you'll always be out numbered by beautiful women at a ratio of 2:1 and the sun is more often than not shining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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