GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Never done quarters mate. Never been on the track and I also don't speed (too many points). I was just given the read out as part of the S-AFCII set up and thought it should be a little higher compared to what people were getting on the same rollers with stock tubbys, exhaust and de-cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Get an accelerometer. They're quite cheap now, and you can *measure* the effectiveness of any 'mod' with no bull. Just find a long, quiet straight near you and after a few runs you'll see how repeatable the results are. You can measure bhp at the wheels too, once you've done a few timings to estimate frictions etc. (you also need the exact weight of the vehicle). Pays for itself very quickly if you're interested in the real effect of 'mods'. Bit of an eye-opener actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Sadly can't be done at the mo due to the coughing and spluttering of the motor mid revs. I wouldn't have minded doing a couple of quarters this year but it looks like it's ANOTHER year she can't be run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Steve, I really think you should revert to 550 injectors with Hybrids. I'm running 550's on my single (albeit with high fuel pressures) and only just maxing out at around 1.5 bar. I've had 650's sitting here for months but loathed to fit them coz the safc just can't cope with those parrameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 I fitted the 650's incase anything went wrong with the hybrids so I could go big single/big twins. Apparently emanage should be up to the job of cutting back the fuel enough for hybrids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Yes E-manage can, but you have safc? If you still have the 550's I would refit them. You will never need this level of fueling on hybrids (imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Yep but I'm gonna shell out for the emanage. I had emanage a while back but was advised to get rid and get S-AFCII... I also had 550's but was advised to go 650's so I swapped em. Must... stop... listening... to people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Well, I really don't want to get into a dyno figure debate, but if 473 was at the wheels with stock based turbo's, that means he's somewhere near 580 @ the flywheel. - Sorry, can't see it's possible. It's not just the turbo's - Richy had nearly every mod available on the car. Cams, 650cc injectors, Adjustable FPR, Walbro Pump, 3" decat, Aquamist, Blitz FMIC etc etc Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Yep but I'm gonna shell out for the emanage. I had emanage a while back but was advised to get rid and get S-AFCII... I also had 550's but was advised to go 650's so I swapped em. Must... stop... listening... to people! Sorry fella, i'll shut up then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 pmsl yeah mate that is the other option tho. I'd like to keep my options open for single just incase but that'll be in the future when I get to be a big lad and insurance companies no longer hate me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 when I get to be a big lad and insurance companies no longer hate me You live in Gateshead mate, never gonna happen! Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 pmsl your not wrong there mate! Least if we need parts we just bloody steal em eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 I had emanage a while back but was advised to get rid and get S-AFCII... Who on earth advised that?? That has to be the dumbest piece of advice ever! I'd go and ask them for the money to get another eManage! You wern't to know mate but, by christ, someone owe's you a favour or two for such cack advice. 16x16map (eManage) vs. 2x8 (s-afc) or something like that....yeah the S-AFC rulez. LMAO. Is it just me that doesn't trust the silly figures off of the Thor Dyno? Every car that goes on their seems to come away with silly figures? I have no faith in the system for measuring power, think it's great for tuning though as it has repeatable results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Can't remember where the advice came from now but it sounds like it may be slightly teh wrong one to take. hmmmm confused over the Thor Dyno thing. I wouldn't have thought my figure was too far wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Can't remember where the advice came from now but it sounds like it may be slightly teh wrong one to take. hmmmm confused over the Thor Dyno thing. I wouldn't have thought my figure was too far wrong? EDIT - Of late the figures seem to be getting less obscure. What was yours again? 370 on Hybrids on an Auto at the hubs...hmmm about 440-460 at the fly? That's reasonable at the fly for hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Auto. 20% loss am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 20-25% yeah - I've edited my previous post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Phew that sounds good to me then mate. Once I've got the emanage sorted we'll give 1.4Bar a go on a power run and see what we get (hopefully not a blown engine!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 the figures on thor table are they fly or hubs?? the one monkeymark posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Is it just me that doesn't trust the silly figures off of the Thor Dyno? Every car that goes on their seems to come away with silly figures? I have no faith in the system for measuring power, think it's great for tuning though as it has repeatable results. I think it's a pretty much accepted fact that the Thor Dyno gives silly-high unrealistic numbers As you say though as long as one continues to use the same dyno for tuning then gains/losses can still be measured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Jurgen...they are supposed to be at the hubs...but I'm not a believer of that...IMO they are closer to Flywheel figures, no matter what the mods. Terry and Ian C's Hybrids were state of the art with all the accompanying mods needed and I don't think either would claim 470+ at the hubs! Richie's results seem off to me...that's not his fault and I dare say I expect his car is a very very powerful hybrid equipped motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 I know it's a really high figure but because of the amount of toruq, it makes me think at the wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 right am asking as if they were then my rx 7 with single and all mods is way down on all them figures i am getting about 295 torque and 430bhp at fly on 0.8 boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 this was done on wgt dyno pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 just been looking at that thor table jesus there is some power in some motors there, is thors dyno knowing to read high i may take the rx down then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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