grandiaerbest Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Ray Comfort tries to explain why god is the creator of all....... his best example the banana. updated link with no commentary, video is 1 min long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 A discussion involving religion and no-one's started an argument yet? Oh well. FYI this is the funniest thing I've seen all day.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq1HOxwFZCY Because a new life form has never turned up in peanut butter, evolution must be impossible. This perfectly supports my personal view that almost all people who say they don't believe in evolution don't have the first clue of what the theory actually is. Oh, and googling 'history of bananas' comes up with some interesting results, claiming that the species of bananas we eat today have been cross bred to produce the type used in that video. I have no idea if that's true or not, but using an apparently human created species of fruit to decry evolution....... ironic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 God isnt real, if you have proof to prove me wrong then lets have it.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackWatch66 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 LOL "ease of entry" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_Strike Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Creationism is for the less evolved:P bill hicks did some sketches about this topic, very funny viewing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 God isnt real, if you have proof to prove me wrong then lets have it.......... Since you made a statement of 'fact', why don't you prove to us (with actual evidence) that he doesn't exist? Stating something (anything) doesn't exist until its proven it exists seems a silly approach to me since we are limited by what we know at the time. There are loads of things that we thought didn't exist but appeared to do so (we 'found' america etc). I prefer to say I don't know but I am happy to consider both arguments. The video is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 The video is good Really? It makes no mention of the hundreds, if not thousands of types of fruits, vegetables etc that don't have a 'ring pull' or a shape perfectly fitting the human hand, or in fact any of the things they see as proof of 'god's design'. We see a similar mindset when someone burns toast and sees the 'face of Jesus' in it. FYI I don't like the overly simplified 'God isn't real because evolution is' approach either, also usually put across by people who don't understand it but let's be sensible here, is a fruit that happens to fit in the palm of a human hand really proof that it was intelligently designed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I dont feel i need to prove anything to be honest, at the end of the day God is just a comfort for people to have, we would all like to think that there is more to life than just this one go, and that when you die, you come back as something or someone else, but this just isnt reality. Also only one religion can be right, if you believe that 'god' made us and everything around us, then that must mean that all other religions are wrong, I mean do you think muslims and indians which have there own gods also think 'Our' god made the earth and is the almighty creator, of course not, they must think we are all wrong, and wasting our time. For me its not a case of 'Prove he does'nt exist' because there is no evidence that he does, If i said to you "ive got a little animal in my hand that only i can see" would you believe me, or would you want proof? The day God presents himself to me ill put my hands up and say im an idiot, but i dont see it happening to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I dont feel i need to prove anything to be honest, at the end of the day God is just a comfort for people to have, we would all like to think that there is more to life than just this one go, and that when you die, you come back as something or someone else, but this just isnt reality. Also only one religion can be right, if you believe that 'god' made us and everything around us, then that must mean that all other religions are wrong, I mean do you think muslims and indians which have there own gods also think 'Our' god made the earth and is the almighty creator, of course not, they must think we are all wrong, and wasting our time. For me its not a case of 'Prove he does'nt exist' because there is no evidence that he does, If i said to you "ive got a little animal in my hand that only i can see" would you believe me, or would you want proof? The day God presents himself to me ill put my hands up and say im an idiot, but i dont see it happening to be honest. Although I am somewhat envious of the comfort peoples' faith can give them during difficult times, I do find it incredible that intelligent people can still believe in a god in this day and age. To me his existance is as believable as that of Santa clause, the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Although I am somewhat envious of the comfort peoples' faith can give them during difficult times, I do find it incredible that intelligent people can still believe in a god in this day and age. To me his existance is as believable as that of Santa clause, the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy. This is my point, you cant talk to him, you cant see him, and yet people put all hope on something they cant even be sure exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest van_damme_supra Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I dont feel i need to prove anything to be honest, at the end of the day God is just a comfort for people to have, we would all like to think that there is more to life than just this one go, and that when you die, you come back as something or someone else, but this just isnt reality. Also only one religion can be right, if you believe that 'god' made us and everything around us, then that must mean that all other religions are wrong, I mean do you think muslims and indians which have there own gods also think 'Our' god made the earth and is the almighty creator, of course not, they must think we are all wrong, and wasting our time. For me its not a case of 'Prove he does'nt exist' because there is no evidence that he does, If i said to you "ive got a little animal in my hand that only i can see" would you believe me, or would you want proof? The day God presents himself to me ill put my hands up and say im an idiot, but i dont see it happening to be honest. but in all different religions they say that 'god' created everything. the world and every living being. so you can't see it as 'different gods'. they're all 1 and the same but he has different names and statements in every religion. to me it's a load of crap, i'm my own god, i won't go on my knees or go to church when instead i could work on my supe unless the 'allmighty creator' can finnish him in like 5min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 omg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermonkey Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 http://media.photobucket.com/image/jesus%20dog%252527s%20arse/djrobotmonster/jesus-dog.jpg He's everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I do believe this is teh forum's first ever God thread. Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I do find it incredible that intelligent people can still believe in a god in this day and age. To me his existance is as believable as that of Santa clause, the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy. You find this incredible? Have you made any real respectable attempt at reading any scripture or even researching any faith before coming to this conclusion? I find it incredible that so-called intelligent people dismiss religion as fairy tales yet have done NOTHING in the way of any real learning to come to such a conclusion. You may also find it incredible that an illiterate man in the desert 1400 years ago somehow knew that the planet is round, that the universe is expanding, that the soon moon and earth each rotate and revolve around their own axis, understood the water cycle , knew about geology and understood embryology. You might find this incredible had you even known all this was mentioned. But no- you'll most likely adopt a conflict approach to dismiss this as plagiarism whilst simultaneously being oblivious to the theory of probability and all logic. The latter term- there's a surprising amount of adoption of it when encountering some religious texts. I find it incredible that, as Marbleapple said, so-called intelligent people dismiss the existence of God citing that the latter cannot be proved whilst at the same time, are unable to disprove gis existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 So your saying we need to first read a book of lies to believe in the lie? The bible or any book, script etc could all be made up for all we know, there isnt anything solid to the claims they make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 So your saying we need to first read a book of lies to believe in the lie? The bible or any book, script etc could all be made up for all we know, there isnt anything solid to the claims they make. This quote already shows your attitude. You've already come to the conclusion that these books are books of lies before even reading the book? Surely by the mere fact that I mentioned all those scientific implications mentioned 1400 years ago in a scripture revealed in the Arabic desert you would have been compelled to find out more about it, or even read it so you could proceed to disprove it? Its ironic isn't it that you disbelief in God is so strong its almost a religious conviction as many people state our conviction is. A religious atheist so to speak. Whilst you may claim that these books are lies, at least the people of faith are commanded to actively seek knowledge (taq'wah being the qur'anic word used). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 You find this incredible? Have you made any real respectable attempt at reading any scripture or even researching any faith before coming to this conclusion? I find it incredible that so-called intelligent people dismiss religion as fairy tales yet have done NOTHING in the way of any real learning to come to such a conclusion. I don't need to. I don't need to research the history and mythology of Santa to know he isn't real. To me the idea of an omnipotent being who created the universe is just ludicrous. That's "To me". I do however respect and in some ways admire your faith. Maybe it's like when my daughter asks if Santa's real. I say "If you believe in him then he's real to you". Belief is a very strong thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I've read the Bible (seriously), I've also read Lord of the Rings. Is the bible based on real life true events? Possibly. Are some of the stories likely to be exaggerated, embellished, misinterpreted, or just plain made up? Probably. Would I prefer Ents to exist? Definitely. Do I exist? I like to think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I say "If you believe in him then he's real to you". Belief is a very strong thing. The truth is also a strong thing. Lets come to some common ground as to what we both believe is true. The shape of the planet? Do you believe in the water cycle? The embryological cycle? Had you not read up on them would you still believe in them? Have you even read about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 You find this incredible? Have you made any real respectable attempt at reading any scripture or even researching any faith before coming to this conclusion? I have - I've been going to a church of England church for about four months now (hypocrytical yes, but has to be done). I've also read the first four or five books of the bible, can't remember which one I stopped on. To be honest before hand I had a live and let live feeling towards Christianity - Now I can say with a completely clear concience that not only do I not believe a word of it, but I hate it. That's the religion mind you - not the people I've met, who've been very friendly. Which makes it all the more amazing that they believe the stuff they repeat and chant every Sunday, some of which is incredibly hateful or spiteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I've read the Bible (seriously), I've also read Lord of the Rings. Is the bible based on real life true events? Possibly. Are some of the stories likely to be exaggerated, embellished, misinterpreted, or just plain made up? Probably. Would I prefer Ents to exist? Definitely. Do I exist? I like to think so. Its also possible to employ logic. Is it impossible to disprove faith? Has faith already been disproved? Wouldn't it be easy if a certain faith had a test to prove whether it was true or not? Will they not then, ponder over the Quran? If it were from other than Allah they would surely have found in it much discrepancies. [4:82] I think a lot of people here need to understand that it isn't ridiculous to believe in a God or scripture. I think its a sad state of affairs to dismiss faith as fairy tales if one hasn't even bothered to research it. I also feel that the majority of atheists are so not because of they have concluded that there is no God because of any real objective thinking, researching and critiquing but because it suits their lifestyle. Afterall, who wants a supreme authority judging and dictating what we feel is right or wrong? We can do whatever we want right? Its similar to how many people believe in religion/ God because it gives them a sense of comfort. However, that isn't the prime reason why EVERYONE believes in faith. Believe it or not, many people have done the aforementioned research and objectively have come to the conclusion that there must be a God. It isn't all fairy tales and gardens when you accept faith. A whole new level of self-critique and responsibility arises when one takes into account God-consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Yes but we can 'see' what shape the planet is. If i can see, feel, smell, and hear something why would i question its existence? I only doubt god as i have no proof that hes real, This debate will never end as people have there own views and stick by them no matter what other may say. We could go back and forth until the end of time and still be no closer to an answer, Septic, i hope my views have not upset you as at the end of the day they are only MY views, i dont wish to smash peoples hopes or imply that im right and your wrong etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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