Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Been working on this for a while, but it's all in and done. 2400hp Stuska engine dyno with full load control, run in programs etc The adaptor plate for the 2JZGTE has been made already and an AFR built 3.0 single turbo engine is going on next Here's the dyno with a race spec Morgan v8 on it. -oB6Gg81wlc 7dpiQ1k-QJg So if your serious about having your engine built, all run in and power mapped on an engine dyno, with real flywheel power graphs, you know where to come And yep, there will be footage of the Supra engine when it's done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 very nice mate. Bet Dude cant wait to get on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 very nice mate. Bet Dude cant wait to get on there Oh yes mate, that one should be fun - I'm sure there will be footage of that too, there's a camera in the cell so all built and engine dyno'd engines come with a dvd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Looks good Matt Will you be hiring this out and if so how much is it to hire for the day? Also will you adding temperatured control air? if so what range does it have? This is a very cool feature at AER and Brilliant for correction setups on turbos? Hope the window is not glass Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 Looks good Matt Will you be hiring this out and if so how much is it to hire for the day? Also will you adding temperatured control air? if so what range does it have? This is a very cool feature at AER and Brilliant for correction setups on turbos? Hope the window is not glass Ryan Hello mate, Yeah I'm dying to get my hands on it with a Supra engine. The glass is bullet proof, so no worries there !!! Sorting out all the final details for hiring it out etc. All the air supply and extract is balanced. Yep the air is recirculated god knows how many times and its all computer controlled. 7000L water supply tank. EGT sensors on every runner etc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hello mate, Yeah I'm dying to get my hands on it with a Supra engine. The glass is bullet proof, so no worries there !!! Sorting out all the final details for hiring it out etc. All the air supply and extract is balanced. Yep the air is recirculated god knows how many times and its all computer controlled. 7000L water supply tank. EGT sensors on every runner etc etc etc Very nice bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Very nice. Certainly something to consider for my next built engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 Might have to run it at the next open day, should be May some time. Dude will be onhand for technical questions and laying rubber down outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 It will be interesting if you can compare flywheel figures from the engine dyno with rear wheel and calculated flywheel numbers from the rolling road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 It will be interesting if you can compare flywheel figures from the engine dyno with rear wheel and calculated flywheel numbers from the rolling road. Exactly my thinking mate, I will be doing this as our chassis dyno calculates transmission losses on a rundown, so I'm keen to see how close it is or isnt It's worth mentioning, engines dont need to be monsters on aftermarket ecus to be run on the engine dyno, any engine we build can be run in and power tested on the engine dyno from completely stock upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Will you be hiring this out and if so how much is it to hire for the day? how long would it take from arriving onsite to getting a 2JZ-GTE hooked up and ready for mapping? Also will you adding temperatured control air? if so what range does it have? This is a very cool feature at AER and Brilliant for correction setups on turbos? Sounds like a great/required feature, could the same be said for the coolant supply as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 how long would it take from arriving onsite to getting a 2JZ-GTE hooked up and ready for mapping? Will know more on this once we've done one mate, which will be next week. could the same be said for the coolant supply as well? Yep, that is also computer monitored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Will know more on this once we've done one mate, which will be next week. Good stuff Yep, that is also computer monitored Just monitored or is controlled to allow to you map for different scenarios, ie cold start, hot start, warm-up and normal running conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 This is a very cool feature at AER and Brilliant for correction setups on turbos? How much do AER charge for rental? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 this is awesome Matt - nice one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesArup Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I'm not sure what for ... but I think I want one . Seems like something from NASA in there! So you can just sit a new/rebuilt engine on that and it will do all the tiresome "running in" for you, without you having to control yourself for the first 500 miles or so under 4k rpm? Cheers, J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 Just monitored or is controlled to allow to you map for different scenarios, ie cold start, hot start, warm-up and normal running conditions. The engine is run in and power runs done mate, but the car still has to go on the chassis dyno for part throttle\low load mapping, cold start, hot start etc. The engine dyno is great but you still need to make the car drive nicely So you can just sit a new/rebuilt engine on that and it will do all the tiresome "running in" for you, without you having to control yourself for the first 500 miles or so under 4k rpm? Better than that mate, sitting on a motorway for 500 miles or so isn't properly running an engine in, you need to put load on the engine too - so you can have pre-programmed running in programmes that apply load\revs etc in a way to properly run and bed the engine in. The dyno also has a blowby monitor, so as the engine is run in and the rings bed in, you can see the blowby coming down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 So from an operators point of view, does it require any extra specialist training or if you've been running chassis dyno for a while, could you just learn which button does what and run an engine dyno? Do you see what I mean? Just wondering from your point of view what difference you see compared to a chassis dyno in terms of operation. Have you had to go on a special engine dyno training course I guess is what I'm getting at. Am very interested in using this service! If only this was 4 months earlier I'd have been banging on your doors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 So from an operators point of view, does it require any extra specialist training or if you've been running chassis dyno for a while, could you just learn which button does what and run an engine dyno? Paul has had an engine dyno before, it was a Stuska 1200hp model. Yes he had to have training and he will be passing that on I'm somewhat excited to get my hands on it, but it is different to a chassis dyno. You have a joystick in the control room with pots to control load and sweep speed for power runs, but with a power run you run the engine up to 'say' 2k, press the button for a power run and the engine dyno control system takes over for the run. As with a chassis dyno, you can steady state tune in essentially the same way, but instead of a throttle you have a joystick and a pot to dial the load in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 How much would you need to bring with the engine? I'm guessing it's everything from air filter through to exhaust? (The answer to my question may be in your vids, but I can't view them at work...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Sounds very trick, so you can adjust the throttle and load seperately to hit the desired site on the map, very cool indeed The only chassis dyno I have seen that makes a similar task seem fairly easy is the TDi setup, I was sat in the car with the throttle at 100% and the dyno operator could adjust the load and speed to reach the desired site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Congrats Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 (edited) It will be interesting if you can compare flywheel figures from the engine dyno with rear wheel and calculated flywheel numbers from the rolling road. Interesting? Heartbreaking is possibly a better word Sorry, edit to say a superb purchase, the Jap tuning world needs to embrace proper engine dyno testing and mapping, it's like a dirty word at the moment. Average cost from the bigger players like Swindon Race Engines and Engine Developments is 900 to a grand plus per day, plus consumables and VAT. Should be a money earner, wish I could have one here but noise is such an issue these days. Have to be satisfied with one 4 miles up the road Edited March 5, 2010 by Chris Wilson (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 (edited) It will be interesting if you can compare flywheel figures from the engine dyno with rear wheel and calculated flywheel numbers from the rolling road. Exactly my thinking mate. I will be doing this as our chassis dyno calculates transmission losses on a rundown, so I'm keen to see how close it is or isn't I know that Dave Walker says on the Emerald site that when they have been able to compare engine dyno figures (from other workshops) to "run down" flywheel figures for the same engine on the Emerald rolling road the results have been within a couple of BHP. Edited March 5, 2010 by garethr (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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