RobSheffield Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 everyone slates na-t in the uk Controversially, thats usually because by the time its done well enough to last you may as well have sold your NA and bought a stock TT. At worst NA-TT conversion would work out around the same and provide flexibility to go as far as you want. Obviously there are exceptions to that rule. There are only a few well built NA-T's on here that didnt cost more than it would have to go NA-TT, and thats when the owner has done all the work, including any fabrication themselves. All imo of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 You got me all wrong, its not just about me, just throwing some ideas about, maybe somebody else would fancy building one, ive never heard anyone mention doing a internal watsegate setup before, most na-t's are built with huge chocolate turbos and get a bad rep for that reason, im just talking about keeping it simple on a small budget. yeah i do hear you jamie i mean honestly jokes aside for a minute. personally why go NA-T like the way your saying when the tt is more powerful, tonnes more reliable, stronger built and less headache. i do admire the approach though because like you said they have been slated because monkeys have done them so it would be an interesting result. cost wise NA £3000 + £1500 = £4500 for a single sup at say 320hp TT £8000 sup - 420hp you could save £2500 going NA-T so its actually a smart idea......... hmmmmmmmmmmm........... Jamies got me thinking now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 on a budget though dude, using literally all XS power parts the reliability factor is out of the window! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 C*nt! LMAO you love me really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 I give up:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 It would be a good idea. Just out of interest , I know alot of yanks have NA-T's, but what are the prices would you be looking at to buy a TT engine out there? From what I hear , the supra's out there are still going for alot of money, so surely the TT engine is also, so thats probably why they have so many NA-T's due to the conversion cost to NA-T costs? All of the above may be wrong though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 cost wise NA £3000 + £1500 = £4500 for a single sup at say 320hp Turbo kit, injectors, ECU/harnesses/sensors + mapping, clutch, boost gauge, boost controller, plugs, oil, fabrication, installation, etc, etc.... is going to cost a lot more than £1500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I give up:) thank god, the old jamies back sorry rob_boi it just wasnt meant to be...................... ahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Turbo kit, injectors, ECU/harnesses/sensors + mapping, clutch, boost gauge, boost controller, plugs, oil, fabrication, installation, etc, etc.... is going to cost a lot more than £1500. we was talking budget used 2nd hand parts dude that you can pick up reaaaaaaaaally cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 thank god, the old jamies back sorry rob_boi it just wasnt meant to be...................... ahahaha Don't be sorry mate, i've still got a supra! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Don't be sorry mate, i've still got a supra! ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ouchhhhhhhhhhh, low blow, you wait a few months, im printing that comment and going to make you eat it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 And then i'll cup fart you! Shazam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 far too many people slate the NA-t route, done properly it can be cheap, reliable and fast.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I give up:) thank god, the old jamies back Something tells me you didn't quite grasp the tone of his "I give up". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I give up:) I know what your on about and me as an Na owner would like a cheap bolt on turbo set up. It's "only 300bhp" but to me that would be amassive jump forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I know what your on about and me as an Na owner would like a cheap bolt on turbo set up. It's "only 300bhp" but to me that would be amassive jump forward. you have such massive ambitions blackie! were you been lately havent picked you up in a thread in ages!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 you have such massive ambitions blackie! were you been lately havent picked you up in a thread in ages!!!!!!!!!! Just been lurkingmate waiting for something interesting to happen and then pounce, I gave up waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Something tells me you didn't quite grasp the tone of his "I give up". Indeed, and that's a shame as this could have been a good discussion. It's not a case of the NA-T being slated on here, it's just not commonly done for some VERY good reasons. Provided those considering it know the (sometimes severe) limitations and potential costs involved it there is nothing wrong at all with the NA-T route. It's just not a 'cheap' way to turbocharge a car, but is a cheap way to get to a (compartively restricted) single turbo, with all the wooshing/stuttering noises it makes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Indeed, and that's a shame as this could have been a good discussion. It's not a case of the NA-T being slated on here, it's just not commonly done for some VERY good reasons. Provided those considering it know the (sometimes severe) limitations and potential costs involved it there is nothing wrong at all with the NA-T route. It's just not a 'cheap' way to turbocharge a car, but is a cheap way to get to a (compartively restricted) single turbo, with all the wooshing/stuttering noises it makes darryl you have always said to me that if your going to modify dont do it at all unless you do it properly. you go cheap and cut corners your asking for trouble.wouldnt the best route up from a na be a tt conversion rather than an NA-T. one thing i have learnt first hand is when you mess with what the toyota boffins have given you, your bound to have a problem or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I give up:) Don't worry mate, I can see where your going with this as it always nice to see different ways of tuning the 2JZ blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 darryl you have always said to me that if your going to modify dont do it at all unless you do it properly. you go cheap and cut corners your asking for trouble.wouldnt the best route up from a na be a tt conversion rather than an NA-T. one thing i have learnt first hand is when you mess with what the toyota boffins have given you, your bound to have a problem or two. I'm sorry, but you completely missed the point of this thread. Jamie was asking "what if" rather than following the norm. If we never question and blindly follow what others have said then we will never know if things can or cannot be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Mitchell Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 im with you on this jamie, be something different im thinking and planning my na-t project, can definately be done on a resonably budget. i would seriously think about this jamie prove a few people wrong- you proved people wrong with your single supra on stock internals and getting some outstanding results. be a good challenge for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 im with you on this jamie, be something different im thinking and planning my na-t project, can definately be done on a resonably budget. i would seriously think about this jamie prove a few people wrong- you proved people wrong with your single supra on stock internals and getting some outstanding results. be a good challenge for you It must be awfully dark up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 It must be awfully dark up there and crowded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 and crowded I think Jurgen is also helping with the load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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