dr_jekyll Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 This morning i encounterd a problem with my w58 5speed or possibly clutch. i was driving gently and i heard a banging coming from benith the car. when i came to a stop on idle it sounded like a broken washing machine but when i presed the clutch it stoped. i then procceded to drive straight to my workshop to put the car away and on the drive the clutch felt ok and all the gears engaged but the speedo was not working propperly. also when i lifted off on the overrun it sounded like a machine gun going off under the dash. i will be taking the box off tomorrow and inspecting , any ideas of things to look out for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 21, 2010 Author Share Posted February 21, 2010 knowbody ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Sounds like something is goosed! Just pull the tranny and see whats going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 21, 2010 Author Share Posted February 21, 2010 yea thats the plan . just any ideas on possible faults would be good. im thinking. clutch pressure plate maybe a lost finger? friction plate lost some material? pilot baring collapsed? thrust baring fooked? or hopefully not input shaft baring dead? anyhting els?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasam77 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 i would imagine thrust bearing, or the fingers. did you have any warning signs? My clutch judders heavily when engaging from 1500rpm i.e. cold start. then is fine when warm. then i get a knocking/thumping at 5k rpm plus. so im thinking my flywheel is gone! or that's what im hoping! i dont know of many input shaft bearings gone?? anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 21, 2010 Author Share Posted February 21, 2010 no warning. fine one min then bang. i have a 6 puk clutch so it was allways juddering and not the smothest at the best of times. i will rip it apart tomorrow night after i close at 5 and i will report back with my finding , i just hope its somthing obvious, as if everything looks fine ill be really stumped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 ok , the box is now off and ther was nothing big broken off like id hoped. allthough i have found the following. the friction plates are goosed. bits of friction material missing and heavily worn ( only 1300 miles old so not impressed ) the flywheel has more scores than casanova the pilot baring is not verry smooth to turn verry grindy and bumpy. i will be fitting a new clutch, thrust baring and pilot baring and hope that cures it , if not then it has to be somthing bouncing around inside the box, then i wont be happy. additionally, i have never changed a pilot baring before how do they come out? do you have to remove the 5 10mm bolts around it after the fly is off? craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 No do you eck. Just pack it out with grease and get an extention bar and tap it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 thaught so thanks martin , i just didnt want to start tw4ting things with a hammer before checking i thaught it would be silly taking the crank end off just to take that out. next question, do we have a resident fly wheel skimmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Did you run over a washing machine ? Have you installed a machine gun behind the dash ? If yes to either then its likley to be one of those. If no, then its could be the gearbox or clutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 Did you run over a washing machine ? Have you installed a machine gun behind the dash ? If yes to either then its likley to be one of those. If no, then its could be the gearbox or clutch now you mention it i have been smuggeling for whirlpool and the taliban latley. that could be the prob thanks for your helpfull post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 hi again, i have been trying to get the pilot baring out all morning with no joy. i tryed the greas packing but the allready damaged baring collapsed. i am now left with just the outer ring sized solid in place i have tryed tapping it with a fine chissle but it wont budge. any hints or tips would be great. craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Have you access to a welder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 Have you access to a welder? not at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Shite. Its the only real option for this problem that I know of mate. If you can get/hire even a small stick welder for an hour you'll get it out. You need to run some weld into the groove/indent where the ball bearings would run in the outer race. Maybe 3-4 runs about an inch long. As the weld cools it shrinks, dragging the outer race with it making it far easier to remove. Thats the only guaranteed way of solving this problem I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 cheers mate, ill give that a bash if my sharp chizzle plan dosnt work, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Well don't go to town on it because if you spread it you're just making life more difficult. The only other option I can offer you is something along the lines of a slide hammer (used by panel beaters) but with a sturdy lip, to get a decent hold on the inside of the bearing, in place of the usual screw. I'm not saying this tool even exists but if you could fashion something along the same principle it should see you out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasam77 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 any luck yet mate?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 victory. the thrust baring has just come out finally. in the end i had to get a dimond cutter for my die grinder and cut a section of the baring out, i was then able to chizzle the rest of the baring out. my fly wheel is away being skimmed and im waiting for a new clutch. hopefully when i put it all back together the box will be ok, if not atleast iv changed everything els so ill jus put another box on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasam77 Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 hey mate, did you get your box back in and everything ok?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 hey all. well i picked up my clutch kit this evening and have just finished fitting it. i have fitted a new pilot baring, new thrust baring, freshly skimmed flywheel new friction plate and new preasurre plate and its still the same all it can be now is the box i think , and other options ??? all the gears still sesect but it makes a terrible sound when you lift off and vibrates. there was no metal in the old box oil when i drained it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) ..... Edited March 16, 2010 by dr_jekyll sillyness (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 ok seeing as im not exactly being flooded with options i think i will just thrash the nuts of the car until what ever is not rite showes itself in the form of a dramatic failur. then i will know exactly what needs changing highly scientific stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InSvain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 maybe it`s in your lsd but i`m not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 maybe it`s in your lsd but i`m not sure not deffo not diff. i just had the car on a 4 poster with the rear wheels lifted and in gear and its coming from inside the box for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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