Lbm Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Mate, you are taking it out of context, MS is too big to collapse just becoz some competing brand released a new products with great features. I'm not so sure, nothing lasts forever, as RedM suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Mate, you are taking it out of context, MS is too big to collapse just becoz some competing brand released a new products with great features. Ok maybe a killer product by a competitor wouldn't take MS out, I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. But if MS lose their direction or capitalisation... For examples heard of a company called Sun? Did some good stuff in the tech world... Founded 1982 Created the Sun / CAD workstation Wrote the Solaris OS Wrote Java Bought Cray Bought MySQL Worth approx $100,000,000,000 in 1998 Worth approx $200,000,000,000 in 2000 Made $2.23 billion LOSS in 2009 Went bust in 2009 Bought for $11 billion in 2010 by Oracle. 5% of it's worth less than 10 years later. Less than a decade ago they were one of the biggest dot-com boomers from a HW and SW point of view... and now they're gone. Today MS are worth $100 billion. A bank - founded 90 years ago Nov 2006 - Worth $350,000,000,000 (leveraged) Mar 2008 - Worth $15,000,000,000 Mar 2009 - Worth $2,360,000,000 Mar 2009 -Sold for $1,100,000,000 (0.003% of it's value 3 years previous) No one... nothing is too big to go bust. I would think recession has kind of shown that. As previously said, MS really have to watch what Google are doing, they run a large private network, outstrip MS in the web space with bing vs google, heck google is a verb people use now, designed their own DNS, mobile, mobile OS and are moving into the ISP space in America. Google is the big elephant in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 I know SUN (Standford University Network) very well coz I use their solaris workstations for doing our Verilog Integrated Chip logic design at Edinburgh Uni, also used the same workstations to run VxWorks Windriver embedded OS apps. Also I worked on Java platform, I am still a member of their mailing list and get regular updates for new products, technology and services. Very sad to hear that Oracle bought it the other day! Always that SUN would buy oracle some day but it went the other way. There were times when most of the banks were SUN workstations and servers as they were quite stable. But SUN never caught the mass comsumer market due to their high cost. You can easily buy 10 MS workstations instead of one SUN Soalris workstation. SUN's solaris OS only works on SUN's hardware! This is their biggest flaw! Java was good but .NET over took it. Other Server OSes caught up and were running stable. Google designed their own DNS, mobile, mobile OS and are moving into the ISP space in America. Google is the big elephant in the room. Google is very innovative, that will keep themselves alive unless EU/US regulators try and kill the open approach Google follows. Developing their OS and mobile OS is good (which MS already did). But their strategy to develop their own hardware is the biggest strength and flaw, totally opposite to MS business model and very similar to Apple and SUN's business model. If ever they release a flawed/ vulnerable mobile OS they will be finished for ever! Intrestingly MS startegy is very safe (unless they dont innovate and bring in new technologies and compete with IPhone and have a proper app store) their mobile OS runs on HP, Dell, Samsung, Sony, Nokia, HTC and other 85 handsets/mobile devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I know SUN (Standford University Network) very well coz I use their solaris workstations for doing our Verilog Integrated Chip logic design at Edinburgh Uni, also used the same workstations to run VxWorks Windriver embedded OS apps. Also I worked on Java platform, I am still a member of their mailing list and get regular updates for new products, technology and services. Very sad to hear that Oracle bought it the other day! Always that SUN would buy oracle some day but it went the other way. There were times when most of the banks were SUN workstations and servers as they were quite stable. But SUN never caught the mass comsumer market due to their high cost. You can easily buy 10 MS workstations instead of one SUN Soalris workstation. SUN's solaris OS only works on SUN's hardware! This is their biggest flaw! Java was good but .NET over took it. Other Server OSes caught up and were running stable. Google is very innovative, that will keep themselves alive unless EU/US regulators try and kill the open approach Google follows. Developing their OS and mobile OS is good (which MS already did). But their strategy to develop their own hardware is the biggest strength and flaw, totally opposite to MS business model and very similar to Apple and SUN's business model. If ever they release a flawed/ vulnerable mobile OS they will be finished for ever! Intrestingly MS startegy is very safe (unless they dont innovate and bring in new technologies and compete with IPhone and have a proper app store) their mobile OS runs on HP, Dell, Samsung, Sony, Nokia, HTC and other 85 handsets/mobile devices. When MS do something new (very rare) it is called proprietary, when others like Apple & Google create something new it is called innovation, for a company with one of the largest marketing budgets, think they need to work on marketing themselves a bit better too Google isnt the only major competition that MS have at the moment - think the next 5 years are make or break for MS (in its current form). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 I know you guys are bashing MS coz you made up your mind way before to take the other side (inherently I know the main reson is that MS charges for their s/w, but that is for another day). I was at MIX 08 in reading and the whole conference started off with a key note speech talking about IPhone and why IPhone is so successful and how most of the employeed in MS uses IPhone. Why IPhone is so successful and how MS lost the spirit and the end user/consumer experience model of developement. I can promise you MS is doing a big revamp for a couple of years now and they are coming up with some big stuff in the near future in all of its product line (they are scrapping some of the products aswell that are not that good). But personally I cannot chose between MS and Google, though many say they are competing but they are more like complementing for now (which will not be the case in the future). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 But personally I cannot chose between MS and Google, though many say they are competing but they are more like complementing for now (which will not be the case in the future). why not....not exactly a mirror image of eachother.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 why not....not exactly a mirror image of eachother.... In fact, if anything they are polar opposites of a service model.. Google offering cloud style distributed computing model through a browser, and MS offering a decentralized locally installed offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 In fact, if anything they are polar opposites of a service model.. Google offering cloud style distributed computing model through a browser, and MS offering a decentralized locally installed offering. Microsoft is one of the biggest investors in cloud based distributed computing aswell. Have you heard about Windows Azure Framework, Windows Live etc etc You can get more info about windows azure in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Services_Platform If you want to know pricing it is here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsazure/pricing/ This is one of the cheapest platforms available today for use. You can get windows cloud machine with as many processors you like or as much memory you like dynamically in the azure cloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Microsoft is one of the biggest investors in cloud based distributed computing aswell. Oh, I have no doubt they aren't doing it, it wouldn't make any sense for them to ignore it. I was referring to the current main stream applications from the two companies. It is an interesting view of how we have gone from centralized solutions back in the 60s/70/80s to a decentralized solution 80/90/00s and back to a more centralized system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 You are totally worng again mate! To be if you want to run today the only infrastructure available to buy servers in cloud or run applications in cloud it is only MS! PS: I do know there is an amazon/Verizon cloud kicking around but I dont hear much about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 You are totally worng again mate! To be if you want to run today the only infrastructure available to buy servers in cloud or run applications in cloud it is only MS! Hey? I don't understand what you are saying there. (Not trying to be sarcy, but I genuinely don't know what you mean) If you are trying to say the only cloud solutions out there are MS then no, there are others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 This was october 2008! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7694471.stm It is fully live from 1st Feb 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 This was october last year! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7694471.stm It is fully live from 1st Feb 2010. Erm... I don't recall saying they didn't do it.... I said I'd be surprised if they DIDN'T do it. (The market is liking the cloud concept and as a large corporation it would be in their interest to evaluate the principles and implement it themselves) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 I am not talking about companies MS or Google using cloud. I am talkking about companies offering could/distributing computing to the masses. You dont need a server + software (OS, databses +backup + load balancing etec etc) inhouse anymore (unless you have very confidential data). You can just use MS cloud it is freaking cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I am not talking about companies MS or Google using cloud. I am talkking about companies offering could/distributing computing to the masses. You dont need a server + software (OS, databses +backup + load balancing etec etc) inhouse anymore (unless you have very confidential data). You can just use MS cloud it is freaking cheap! Okay, remove your blinkers and assumption that everyone is out to get microsoft and I will say it slowly..... I KNOW MICROSOFT ARE DOING CLOUD STYLE COMPUTING, AND IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO DO IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 Ok if you are so smart, you name who else is offering me a solution to deploy all my application in the cloud today! PS: I do know Amazon IBM and Salesforce are offering but I think MS is the cheapest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Oh, I have no doubt they aren't doing it, it wouldn't make any sense for them to ignore it. Oh, I have no doubt they are doing it, it wouldn't make any sense for them to ignore it. I think I have have used too many negatives causing confusion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Ok if you are so smart, you name who else is offering me a solution to deploy all my application in the cloud today! Amazon Ec2 is a public cloud offering.... Google App engine? AT&T have one as well... Ubuntu can build a private cloud offering with an install of their version of linux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Amazon Ec2 is a public cloud offering.... Google App engine? AT&T have one as well... Ubuntu can build a private cloud offering with an install of their version of linux. You're wasting your time with this dude...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Anyone see this? Google to offer 1gb/s to US homes! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8509110.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Anyone see this? Google to offer 1gb/s to US homes! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8509110.stm I didnt know they had launched a public DNS service http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ Mind you I cant remember the last time I used an ISP provided DNS either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Amazon Ec2 is a public cloud offering.... Google App engine? AT&T have one as well... Ubuntu can build a private cloud offering with an install of their version of linux. Dime...bar? Give it up. He believes we hate ms and we're all a bunch of freetards. He's not taken a single point in you or I have tried to iterate and I guess the only large business exposure he's had is ms. no I dont like the kit I have a job on that we pay millions in software licenses and software/hardware maintenance on. Oh no. redM, 1gbps fibre is slow. It's a start, but it's slow. It's all part of google slowly buildin it's own subnet or private Internet. Oh and a new opera browser beta came out today, looks pretty nifty doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 redM, 1gbps fibre is slow. It's a start, but it's slow. It's all part of google slowly buildin it's own subnet or private Internet. Oh and a new opera browser beta came out today, looks pretty nifty doesn't it? 1gbps is a f**ton faster than my 2mb connection. Is that the 10.5 beta? I've been on the alpha for a bit and loved it. I'll have a look when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 Is there any way you can take the title bar away on the top of the opera browser? I would only like to have tabs on the top and address bar underneath that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Is there any way you can take the title bar away on the top of the opera browser? I would only like to have tabs on the top and address bar underneath that. I'm not sure, but I'm assuming you can in IE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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