Microsoft's View of the Future (WARNING high geek content)

[edinlexusV8]

Almost half this stuff is already there! Check the attached video

[JustGav]

http://msstudios.wmod.llnwd.net/a2294/o21/presspass/a_Glimpse_Ahead_MBR.wmv?MSWMExt=.asf

 

Try that rather...

[miko_supra]

Everyone is walking around with Apple's Ipads

[Mike]

Everyone is walking around with Apple's Ipads

 

That's the future... the demise of MS

[edinlexusV8]

That's the future... the demise of MS

 

Demise of MS!! Even apple cannot dare to say that! What apple does is not even 10% of what microsoft does as a software company! The demise of MS (which will never happen) can only be done if Sony somhow buys Google which inturn buys apple and Oracle (which bought SUN already) and then actually have money left to develop software that compete with Microsoft.

 

Beware IE9 will be out in 6-8 month and will end the browser war for ever! I already checked the demos and the inhouse labs build and it is 60% faster than IE8! It is a very optimistic statement but from there starts MS's resurgance! Watch out!

[RedM]

Beware IE9 will be out in 6-8 month and will end the browser war for ever! I already checked the demos and the inhouse labs build and it is 60% faster than IE8! It is a very optimistic statement but from there starts MS's resurgance! Watch out!

 

Opera 10.5

 

Close the door quietly on your way out.

[caseys]

Demise of MS!! Even apple cannot dare to say that! What apple does is not even 10% of what microsoft does as a software company! The demise of MS (which will never happen) can only be done if Sony somhow buys Google which inturn buys apple and Oracle (which bought SUN already) and then actually have money left to develop software that compete with Microsoft.

 

Beware IE9 will be out in 6-8 month and will end the browser war for ever! I already checked the demos and the inhouse labs build and it is 60% faster than IE8! It is a very optimistic statement but from there starts MS's resurgance! Watch out!

 

True yes, it will be very hard to displace MS in the enterprise space, they've got a very large foothold for at least client and some DB and web space applications.

 

IE9 faster than IE8? At what? Loading? Java? Getting flaws/security issues? Crashing?

 

I'll get more excited about IE9 when it's fully HTML5 compliant, I don't have to have it built into Windows and IE being so god damn intrusive and also allow a decent regime of 3rd party plug-ins a la Firefox. Not that a dev community will start doing that for IE any time soon I think.

 

Gimme Firefox or Opera any day. I don't know about many other people but I only use MS applications through necessity or lack of choice, rather than willingly doing so. Heck, I only use a GUI if I really have to.

 

Oh that and I want to have some quiet time with every person starring in the Windows 7 commercials. And a bit of 2x4 with a nail in it. No you did not come up with this, no MS did not listen to you.

[JustGav]

Demise of MS!! Even apple cannot dare to say that! What apple does is not even 10% of what microsoft does as a software company! The demise of MS (which will never happen) can only be done if Sony somhow buys Google which inturn buys apple and Oracle (which bought SUN already) and then actually have money left to develop software that compete with Microsoft.

 

Beware IE9 will be out in 6-8 month and will end the browser war for ever! I already checked the demos and the inhouse labs build and it is 60% faster than IE8! It is a very optimistic statement but from there starts MS's resurgance! Watch out!

 

You a MS koolaid chap by any chance

[Mike]

Who uses IE any more?

[RiceRocket]

Who uses IE any more?

 

A quick look;

[Mike]

That's everyones Mams and Dads.... they always click the wrong shortcut. Everybody knows that.

[imi]

Demise of MS!! Even apple cannot dare to say that! What apple does is not even 10% of what microsoft does as a software company! The demise of MS (which will never happen) can only be done if Sony somhow buys Google which inturn buys apple and Oracle (which bought SUN already) and then actually have money left to develop software that compete with Microsoft.

 

Beware IE9 will be out in 6-8 month and will end the browser war for ever! I already checked the demos and the inhouse labs build and it is 60% faster than IE8! It is a very optimistic statement but from there starts MS's resurgance! Watch out!

 

 

[edinlexusV8]

For normal web browsing, watching youtube, using these forums etc etc you can use any browser. But there are loads of applications on the internet that only run in IE (CRM, intranet applications, networking apps, outlook web access to name a few). Some of companies/banks only allow IE as their default browser inside the network. Also if you want most secure and heavily tested browser it has to be IE. There are loads of vulnarabilities in all the browsers Firefox having the most compared to Chrome, IE or Opera. But you dont hear much of a noise from the press when companies find vulnarabilities in other browser. Also if there are any vulnerabilities in IE MS releases a patch immediately and push it down to your machine through windows update which helps you keep yourself more secure. If it is other browser say firefox or safari, you dont know when you will get patched up!

 

Yeah there are some people still using IE 5.5 or 6 and there are some vulneribilities but these are obsolete but Microsoft still try and patch them. Try using some 3-4 years old version of firefox and tell me how safe you are!

 

If you are talking about speed, IE8 is pretty fast w.r.t GDI and Javascript. It is not as fast as Chrome yet but it is not too far behind. A general user would not notice much of a difference. Loads of companies relase activeX content/ addin for IE which are the real cause of sluggishness. One of the main culprit is a Java Runtime addin! Run without any addins and tell me if it is not fast!

[edinlexusV8]

Check this out ... if any of you are interested about IE9

 

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx

[JustGav]

There are loads of vulnarabilities in all the browsers Firefox having the most compared to Chrome, IE or Opera. But you dont hear much of a noise from the press when companies find vulnarabilities in other browser.

 

You definitely work for the Koolaid brigade

 

Also if there are any vulnerabilities in IE MS releases a patch immediately and push it down to your machine through windows update which helps you keep yourself more secure.

 

RUBBISH! and in your example in a corporate world, the patch management system would be via SUS which means they would need to be tested against live applications before being rolled out to general populous anyway, thereby negating your argument anyway

 

If it is other browser say firefox or safari, you dont know when you will get patched up!

 

Again, disagree, a vulnerability was found in MS's implementation which resulted in a 'possible' breach in FF, which was disabled ALMOST immediately (in less than 24 hours)

[JustGav]

Check this out ... if any of you are interested about IE9

 

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx

 

Wow, a microsoft article saying their product is quicker, never saw that coming

 

Does the phrase 'Netcraft' mean anything to you?

[JustGav]

For normal web browsing, watching youtube, using these forums etc etc you can use any browser. But there are loads of applications on the internet that only run in IE (CRM, intranet applications, networking apps, outlook web access to name a few). Some of companies/banks only allow IE as their default browser inside the network. Also if you want most secure and heavily tested browser it has to be IE.

 

I'm having a field day here

 

The reason those apps ONLY work in IE, is because MS ignored the existing standards and went 'SOD IT, we will make our own'... java anyone??

 

Most secure?? don't be silly... Heavily test MAYBE because it is the default installed browser with the OS.

[edinlexusV8]

Btw I have been using Firefox before IE8 was release as IE7 frustrated me a lot and it was very sluggish and slow. Also used Chrome, Opera, Safari not great experience. I was not quite happy with earlier releases of chrome as it used to crash quite a bit, though the latest release of chrome is very good in terms of speed and browsing, I realised that some of our ajax apps we have are not running properly under chrome.

 

Now I am using Windows 7 and IE8, I dont have to look back, everything works like a dream! Esp the multiple processes architecture of IE8 is very good, if some addon or some player on the page is faulty the whole set of tabs wont crash (like Firefox), just that tab is recovered and the remaining tabs can do their job parallely!

[JustGav]

Microsoft can still gloat over IE8's greatly-improved security, despite the PWN2OWN breach--after all, no piece of software is perfect--but slowness still dogs the new browser. Of the top five browsers, IE 8 came in dead last in a JavaScript speed test run by Computerworld.com, and by no small margin: Chrome was four times faster in the test, the latest version of Firefox proved 59% faster, and Safari 47% faster. The question is: how much slowness will a user live with to be slightly more secure? For a browser to be less than half as fast as its competitors and gain fans, wouldn't it have to be nearly perfect?

 

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/chris-dannen/techwatch/internet-explorer-8-microsofts-biggest-loser

 

Microsoft won't fix vulnerabilities in the latest versions of Internet Explorer or Windows during its regularly scheduled patch release on Tuesday, meaning users will have to wait at least another month to get updates that correct the security risks.

 

The software maker on Thursday said January's Patch Tuesday will include a single bulletin that fixes a vulnerability that carries a severity rating of "critical" in Windows 2000 and "low" in all other versions of the operating system. That's one of the slimmest ever offerings since Microsoft began the practice of releasing security fixes on the second Tuesday of every month.

 

That may lighten the load on IT admins, but it also means potentially serious vulnerabilities known to affect Internet Explorer 8 and Windows 7 will be allowed to fester for at least another 28 days.

 

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/jaunaury_patch_tuesday/

[edinlexusV8]

I'm having a field day here

 

The reason those apps ONLY work in IE, is because MS ignored the existing standards and went 'SOD IT, we will make our own'... java anyone??

 

Most secure?? don't be silly... Heavily test MAYBE because it is the default installed browser with the OS.

 

Yeah it is the same old story! MS ignored standards, but the organisations making standards are way behind MS development cycles and releases. Through more than 90% of the population on this earth is using IE, the standards companies (a bunch of NOISE (Netscape, Oracle, IBM, SUN etc) chose to go against MS all the time and MS has to re work and rebuilt to comply! Complying to standards has been very old reason to bash IE!

[edinlexusV8]

Microsoft won't fix vulnerabilities in the latest versions of Internet Explorer or Windows during its regularly scheduled patch release on Tuesday, meaning users will have to wait at least another month to get updates that correct the security risks.

 

The software maker on Thursday said January's Patch Tuesday will include a single bulletin that fixes a vulnerability that carries a severity rating of "critical" in Windows 2000 and "low" in all other versions of the operating system. That's one of the slimmest ever offerings since Microsoft began the practice of releasing security fixes on the second Tuesday of every month.

 

That may lighten the load on IT admins, but it also means potentially serious vulnerabilities known to affect Internet Explorer 8 and Windows 7 will be allowed to fester for at least another 28 days.

 

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01...patch_tuesday/

 

But MS release a patch for this in less than 5 days!

[Homer]

Who uses IE any more?

 

Quite a few on here

 

[JustGav]

Yeah it is the same old story! MS ignored standards, but the organisations making standards are way behind MS development cycles and releases. Through more than 90% of the population on this earth is using IE, the standards companies (a bunch of NOISE (Netscape, Oracle, IBM, SUN etc) chose to go against MS all the time and MS has to re work and rebuilt to comply! Complying to standards has been very old reason to bash IE!

 

I believe that is 60-70% of the pop not 90%.... (See above charts)

 

Standards are there for a reason!!! to make things interoperate, not for a mega corp to circumvent.

 

And when it comes to MS, I have one word.....VISTA!!!

 

Oh wait, almost WinFx, oooh and the new file system for vista...oh wait... that didn't happen

[caseys]

For normal web browsing, watching youtube, using these forums etc etc you can use any browser. But there are loads of applications on the internet that only run in IE (CRM, intranet applications, networking apps, outlook web access to name a few).

 

 

So again we're talking very specific, normally business inclinded software that doesn't allow open standards or good cross platform connectivity? Great! CRM? Jeez who uses a serious CRM tool in a frickin web browser? Go look at Websphere and write a decent separate app....

 

Some of companies/banks only allow IE as their default browser inside the network.

 

See above. Alas most tools are written because of this, it's kind of an ouroboros issue.

 

Also if you want most secure and heavily tested browser it has to be IE. There are loads of vulnarabilities in all the browsers Firefox having the most compared to Chrome, IE or Opera. But you dont hear much of a noise from the press when companies find vulnarabilities in other browser.

Heavily tested I'll give you that, mostly down to the size of the user base though.

 

Most secure? Don't give me that. Hmm, what was the root vulnerability of that attack on Google from China? Oh.. let me see now...

 

Oh, it was IE. Oh, it was still a MS supported version of IE. Hmm, how old was that bug now? Ah yes... more than a year. Was MS aware of it? I believe it was....

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/google_china_attack_malware_analysis/

 

Also if there are any vulnerabilities in IE MS releases a patch immediately and push it down to your machine through windows update which helps you keep yourself more secure.

 

See above. 16+ months on a known bug and no patch. Also ever seen a patch in auto update also fubar thousands of machines and get AV software to give false positives because the update hasn't been tested with widely used corporate AV software...?

 

If it is other browser say firefox or safari, you dont know when you will get patched up!

 

Have you seen or used Firefox or Safari for any lenght of time? Do you read release notes or development cycles for patches and take part in any dev community?

 

AFAIK Firefox updates occur pretty frequently. There has been more than one occasion now where after Microsoft's 'patch Tuesday' black hats use a zero-day exploit to attack people because guess what.. they know how long it'll be until MS release the next patch. Frequent patch cycling and otherwise scheduled responses to break/fix work is not the ideal.

 

Yeah there are some people still using IE 5.5 or 6 and there are some vulneribilities but these are obsolete but Microsoft still try and patch them. Try using some 3-4 years old version of firefox and tell me how safe you are!

 

Hmmm I'm sure I read somewhere something about a bug in IE6 somewhere....

 

Yes I'll agree with you to not use software no longer supported by the vendor, but alas MS do support IE6 still and yet are a bit lacklustre on the security.

 

If you are talking about speed, IE8 is pretty fast w.r.t GDI and Javascript. It is not as fast as Chrome yet but it is not too far behind. A general user would not notice much of a difference.

 

This is a statement still without a good bit of context here. Got some test results? How do the latest GA'd and also the latest dev cycle of IE, Firefox, Opera, Chrome and Safari all stand up to the Acid3 test and also the Java Sunspider test? They're all a mixed bag and I'll say there's no true winner. It's certainly not Firefox and it's certainly not IE8 or IE9.

 

Chrome is just Google's way of having a toy in the browser market. Same as Google Aps, Android etc. They're not serious, they're out to make money and Chrome doesn't do that for them.

 

Nor am I going to defend Mozilla, or Safari. Apple and Mozilla both have their flaws and browsers are still maturing. Yes things like Java and Flash bring a whole bundle of flaws to browers/OSes that are not under the power of them because it's Adobe or Sun/Oracle now.

 

Now go take your meds and kindly stfu if you're not coming back with some infallible proof of IE9 being 'teh bestest'.

 

Cheers

 

Simon

[Wez]

have you ever worked in a serious IT department or do you work for MS, the only thing we use MS products for is desktops running office as do most serious businesses, although with there latest incarnation of the muppets version with oversized buttons etc they are losing trade to OpenOffice