2jzgte in to an SC430 - ever been done?

[Branners]

My mid life crisis is creeping up on me and I feel I may need a convertible car (not really, but its a conversation piece...).

 

Anybody ever heard of a 2jzgte being slung in to a Lexus SC430?

 

Would certainly be an interesting conversion and I would have thought not too tricky?

 

Or would a normal person just supercharge the 4.3 v8 and be done with it?

 

[miko_supra]

Interesting to see. But my god those cars are ugly

[adnanshah247]

thats a wicked idea branners. that would be my ultimate car, a merge of my 2 favourite cars.

[Branners]

Interesting to see. But my god those cars are ugly

 

With the roof up they do indeed look like an upturned boat, but I'm starting to like them more and more, and as no bugger seems to want them they must be getting nice and cheap now...

 

Off to Autotrader for a look....

[Branners]

hmm, still coming in at around £11k for a 10 year old model. Supra is still cheaper.

[adnanshah247]

i love them, i think they look brilliant!

[marbleapple]

Audi TT's might be a cheap convert now. I suspect you could play with the engine quite a bit too.

[adnanshah247]

http://lexusenthusiast.com/images/body-kits/body-kit-lexus-sc-430-job-design-completion.jpg

 

 

 

Ugly?

[cowboy bebop]

THe issue with the SC430 is that the transmissions can't handle but ~440rwhp without failure. The stock internals can't handle anymore than that. Not to say they both can't be built, but that would depend entirely on your horsepower needs.

 

Eric

[Branners]

I would only ever BPU the car anyway, so 400bhp transmission would be fine. I would want to swap in the supra auto though. I doubt the slush box on the SC430 is as quick as the Supra one so it would be engine and drive train.

 

Failing that it would have to be a 6speed.

[Guigsy]

i remeber topgeer voting it the worst car ever made

[Dnk]

John please read this before you have your midlife crisis:d

 

If I’d punched every person I’ve heard say “There’s no such thing as a bad car any more” I would have a jab worthy of a deputy prime minister. As phrases go it is one of the laziest, most stupid and most dangerous in this business.

 

I’ve heard it from the car-buying public, the car manufacturers and the allegedly critical motoring press, and every time I’ve seen, heard and smelt a rat.

 

It’s true that cars are more capable today than ever before, but achievements are relative and as they improve so we should raise our expectations. They might rarely break down these days but that merely makes them reliable and should not be regarded as a point in a car’s favour. You wouldn’t praise your kettle because it was capable of boiling water; such things should be givens. Regardless of its abilities, I would argue that the worst car in any given class is by definition a bad car.

 

This approach is no respecter of price, brand or badge. Apply it and you’ll see that all manufacturers can and do build truly bad cars.

 

 

Even Lexus. How could a company boasting some of the most envied (and deserved) quality credentials of any marque build a truly bad car? I know only that it has and this is it. It’s called the SC430, it costs £50,850 and it’s a complete mutt.

 

This was meant to be Lexus’s answer to the Mercedes SL sports car and coming from those responsible for the next best limousine after the Mercedes S-class (at least until the Audi A8 goes on sale), it’s not unreasonable to expect the SC430 to show commensurate strength against the SL. When it was first released to the press last year, however, the reception it received was less than welcoming. I, on the other hand, said nothing, on account of the fact that until now I’d never driven one. At the time I did suggest to a magazine that had commissioned me to write a comparison of five luxury convertibles that the SC430 should be included but I was stopped mid-flow by a snort of derision. To say it considered that the SC430 would not have had much to contribute to the debate is putting it mildly.

 

This, then, is the new SC430, with modifications meant to put this sad state of affairs in the past. They centre on the car’s suspension in general and its spring and damper rates specifically, which have been blamed for the SC430’s apparently hitherto wooden handling and awful ride. The good news is the second-generation SC430 goes broadly where you point it (even if the steering is almost devoid of feel) while serving up a ride that’s poor but hardly appalling. The bad news is that this is not nearly good enough.

 

Compared with Mercedes’s SL 500 (£67,790) the SC430 is almost farcically off the pace. The SL is fun to drive, the SC is not. The SL’s ride is taut, controlled and fluent, the SC’s is flabby, undisciplined and, should you hit a pothole, decidedly jerky. Both have sophisticated steel folding roofs, but while the SL turns a beautiful convertible into a classic coupé, the SC is equally and irredeemably ugly, whatever you do with the roof. If the Mercedes is considerably more expensive it more than deserves to be.

 

For something more broadly comparable on price, try the £42,370 BMW M3 convertible. Contrary to what Jeremy would have you believe, it is a brilliant car (if you skip the optional SMG sequential transmission) and probably never looked a bigger bargain than when parked next to the SC430.

 

If you don’t mind the way it looks and all you wish to do is cruise on smooth roads then the SC430 has its place — and this might explain why it does rather better in America than here — but otherwise it provides startlingly few reasons to tempt.

 

50 grand out of your pocket. I guess it’s such a rare sight on our roads that it’s guaranteed a kind of exclusivity but few cars I’ve driven in the past year have more deserved to be rare than this.

 

Yet it is not without merit. It’s better built than an SL and the engine/gearbox combination is both smooth and responsive. With 282bhp from its 4.3 litre V8 it’s quick enough, too. In addition, it’s extremely well equipped and I’d be staggered if anything at all went wrong in its first 100,000 miles.

 

But the car remains one of the few on the road even more pointless than a Ford Fusion: it’s too dull and flawed to be a driver’s car and too ugly to cut it on the automotive catwalk. When your rivals include cars as beautiful as the Mercedes SL, Maserati Spyder and Jaguar XK8 convertible, being at best quirkily different just is not enough.

 

The easy conclusion is to say the SC430 is not a bad car, merely that its opponents are better. But I feel disinclined to let it off so lightly. The fact that I’d rather have any rival would make it bad in this book regardless of its actual abilities. And when those abilities are so limited that there are convertibles costing £20,000 less that eclipse it either to look at or to drive (Audi TT Roadster and Porsche Boxster), its real standing is revealed.

 

Over the years Lexus has produced cars that have tended to vary in ability from competent (IS200, RX300) to downright astonishing (LS400, LS430). But the SC430 is none of these: it is a poor car, pure and simple. The only astonishing thing about it is that Lexus let it be built. Geniuses, it seems, still have their off days.

 

Vital statistics

Model Lexus SC430

Engine type V8 4293cc

Power 282bhp @ 5600rpm

Torque 309lb ft @ 3500rpm

Transmission Five-speed automatic

Fuel 23.5mpg (combined)

CO2 287g/km

Co car tax £7,097 for a higher-rate taxpayer

Acceleration 0 to 62mph: 6.4sec

Top speed 155mph

Price £50,850

Verdict The first truly undesirable Lexus

[cowboy bebop]

I would only ever BPU the car anyway, so 400bhp transmission would be fine. I would want to swap in the supra auto though. I doubt the slush box on the SC430 is as quick as the Supra one so it would be engine and drive train.

 

Failing that it would have to be a 6speed.

 

Remember too that the Supra auto is very much the same, and I've seen those break at 350rwhp. Especially on a hard second gear shift. A six speed would work, but then again you would be one of the first people to do it.

 

Eric

[Guigsy]

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The best thing they say about the car is the engine... which you want to replace

Edited January 31, 2010 by Guigsy (see edit history)

[Dnk]

Im having mine at the moment so bought this and cant wait for a warm sunny day

[garethr]

The SC430 suspension is more or less the same as the Mk2 Aristo/GS300, so it's a similar design to the Supra (similar, not the same), so I'm sure you could do something with it.

 

The front crossmember is the same part number as the Mk2 Aristo/GS300/GS430, so fitting the engine might be very easy (Aristo engine and mounts?).

 

UK Supra front calipers bolt straight on (rears won't - standard are opposed piston and solid disc).

Edited January 31, 2010 by garethr (see edit history)

[Kirk]

please tell me your not serious branners

[caseys]

I have to agree with others, the SC430 looks like a shoe.

 

Must admit I'd have any Lexus as another car without quibble (beams IS200 I was looking at but can't insure the GF) so not a Lexus hater at all.

 

Still a lot of nice convertables you could get with £10-11k ballpark. If I had that money I'd be spending it on a 6-speed M3 myself.

 

The only way to stoop lower would be to buy a Boxter....

[Dnk]

 

Still a lot of nice convertables you could get with £10-11k ballpark. If I had that money I'd be spending it on a 6-speed M3 myself.

 

 

You can get a nice convertable for a lot less than £11k if you do some hunting, i paid £8k for my 52 plate 330 ci sport with 63,000 miles and fbmwsh with 2 owners:)

[Chris Wilson]

Medication, a few hookers and alcohol will be far cheaper. The electrickery would worry me, as would the auto box. The main worry would be being seen in one though, not wearing my overalls to show it was a customers Men over 40 in convertibles, especially in the UK's climate, just look, well, "desperate"

[Mike]

Medication, a few hookers and alcohol will be far cheaper. The electrickery would worry me, as would the auto box. The main worry would be being seen in one though, not wearing my overalls to show it was a customers Men over 40 in convertibles, especially in the UK's climate, just look, well, "desperate"

 

love it

[edge]

What about a Honda S2000? plenty of them have been converted with 2jz and 6 speeds.

I bet the sc drives nice but god it looks ugly.

[hadyn]

Someone just stick a 2JZ in a Capri please

[Hassan]

Hi everyone its a old thread but im looking to do just that buy a 2005 sc430 and put a 2jz-gte with the auto box. I test drove one and just fell in love with it. In Black with 20" wheels and a subtle bodykit they can look very nice. So as soon i sell my Mk2 aristo i will be buying one and looking to do the engine swap.

[Swampy442]

thats a wicked idea branners. that would be my ultimate car, a merge of my 2 favourite cars.

 

Aristo and SC? Id supercharge it personally, V8 and supercharger noice ftw