Wez Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Prison should be a place of punishment not a chill out place. I agree 100%, the only problem is that you are not to punish people, thats why going to prison is for rehabilitation. This is how fapping stupid things are, slightly off topic but a mate was telling me that his kids football league are no longer allowed to have winners and losers, they have a star team but are not allowed to call the the losing team losers cause it upsets the kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 The problem with sending people to prison to punish them, is that once you've done the punishing, then you let them out and they're still evil gits. This is why there is the indefinite jail term. Say these kids got given a fixed 10 year jail term. After 10 years you release them because they've been "punished". Are they still a danger to society? Who knows. With an indefinite jail term, they are given a minimum term that they'll serve, and then they are assessed to see if they're a danger to society. If they are, they stay in jail. If they aren't, then they've already served what you could in fact call the punishment bit of their sentence so they should be then released. I don't know if 5 years is enough or not for what these kids did. It's hard to say without letting all the emotions that something like this would generate cloud the decision. That's why the judges in these cases earn their money. The only way I can kind of rationalise, if you like, in my mind is to think what would they get if all involved were all adults? I do however hope that the victims out of this, who's lives will have been devastatingly traumatised, do get all the help that is possible. The local authorities have already apologised for letting them down. Well they should back that up and sort out so that these poor kids get every possible advantage in life from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 couple of years back I remember stating that it costs roughly £40,000 a year on average for each prisoner! That is a lot more than the national average wage! and in excess of 230K for the more severe cases (murderers, etc) why not ship them out to Camp-X, send the guilty ones there for a change....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 his kids football league are no longer allowed to have winners and losers, : thats the american way....we are after all their wagging tail.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Why don't they ease overcrowding simply by shipping the prisoners to a remote island on the other side of the world.... oh wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 What surprises me about this sort of issue is that if you speak to ordinary people whether it be on a forum or at work they all agree the legal and penal system are crap,so how come people in power,i.e. m.p.'s or judges dont do something about it,since coming to power do they cease to have the views of ordinary people.I have a good idea for easing prison numbers but it's a bit right wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 What surprises me about this sort of issue is that if you speak to ordinary people whether it be on a forum or at work they all agree the legal and penal system are crap,so how come people in power,i.e. m.p.'s or judges dont do something about it,since coming to power do they cease to have the views of ordinary people.I have a good idea for easing prison numbers but it's a bit right wing Not everyone agrees on this issue by any means, at work or anywhere else. People tend to associate with those with whom they share similar values, so it's easy to get the impression that everyone is of one mind. This BBS has a particular demographic that means you get more agreement than with a broader sample. To see the true spectrum of opinion, it's fascinating to take any controversial issue and look at the comments sections on two opposing online newspapers, for example, the right-wing Telegraph and the left-wing Guardian. As for the MPs part - interestingly, one of Blair's preoccupations was the idea that the law was biased - wrongly in his view - in favour of the perpetrator and not the victim. He was very frustrated with the judiciary and the slowness of progress on crime, which he wanted to be one of his big success stories. I think sentencing actually got much harsher under his stint as PM, though I wouldn't swear to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Which effectively means they'll be out in 5 years... Very unlikely they will be out in 5 years, I would say at least 8 and then they SHOULD be very closely monitered by a MAPPA agency. If there is any justice they may well have several severe accidents in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I know one thing, Someone ever did that to my son i would be waiting for them when they got out with a sledge hammer. I dont care if this makes me as bad as them or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I doubt they will be out that quick 5-8 years, not sure which one, but I believe one has psychopathic traits. So could end spending his whole natural life behind bars. As far as their parents are concerned, not sure what the police could charge them with. There are certainly kids who will have had an equally bad upbringing, who would never go as far as these two, little buggers. The two boys parents certainly contributed to the children's behaviour, but to go as far as to say they caused it may be going too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I know one thing, Someone ever did that to my son i would be waiting for them when they got out with a sledge hammer. I dont care if this makes me as bad as them or not. If you believe in the Bible then no.....an eye for an eye etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I know one thing, Someone ever did that to my son i would be waiting for them when they got out with a sledge hammer. I dont care if this makes me as bad as them or not. There will be hundreds that feel the same. So the boys safety may well be a factor that keeps them locked up for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 There will be hundreds that feel the same. So the boys safety may well be a factor that keeps them locked up for a very long time. A moment will stick in my head forever. After the Jaime B kids where convicted. His dad was on GMTV he said bold as brass "when ever and where ever they get out i will be waiting." While i understood where he was coming from it wasnt until i had my son that i now feel where he was coming from. Human nature would make you want revenge. Just a dam shame he never got to them before they where given a new life at our expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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