Terminator Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 The area round a couple of my rental properties has recently become permit only or pay and display. Is thereany way I can stop tennats friend useing the drive as a free carpark. One day tghere were four of the buggers cars there. None were tenants cars as none can drive. I have thought of shooting the owners, dropping a skip on there cars or setting fire to them, but my wife thinks this would be wrong. Any help appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Block 'em in - big concrete block left in the entrance way while they're all parked up and then left there for a week or two will teach them! Is there anything in the tenancy agreement describing access and use of the driveway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I think if you put signage up you could clamp them and make them pay for release. What you COULD do and what you SHOULD do however..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 when the tennants rent the property does it include the drive? If so nothing you can do as long as they are not sub letting the drive out for a charge, they are using it how they want too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Why is it a problem to you if your tenants friends park there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 How do you want to tackle this: the law (some of which might make things awkward with your tenants), or practical measures? Practical measures could be a change to the tenancy agreement such that only cars registered to the tenants can park there without your prior consent. Another measure would be to put bollards up in the driveway: hassle to fit, and more hassle for you when you want to park there. I'm no lawyer so get advice from others before believing what I say on this, but legally I think the driveway would need some kind of barrier across it. This wouldn't need to be big or heavy, it's mainly symbolic. It could be a thin chain across the gateposts for example. Without a barrier, anyone could park there (pikey style) and it would take protracted court proceedings to shift them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 They are causing wear, possibly causing insurance issues, aren't contributing to the maintenance and basically taking the *iss. A tenant allowing friends to use a landlord's drive as a free car park is one step away from having long term stayers sharing the HOUSE. Get `em out, car parkers and tenants, preferably put `em on the street begging Outraged, in the Midlands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 They are causing wear, possibly causing insurance issues, aren't contributing to the maintenance and basically taking the *iss. A tenant allowing friends to use a landlord's drive as a free car park is one step away from having long term stayers sharing the HOUSE. Get `em out, car parkers and tenants, preferably put `em on the street begging Outraged, in the Midlands. Good paper that Daily Mail eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 If the tenacy agreement states that they can not use the drive, then simply put up clamping warnings & if need be clamp someones car. For all you know it might not even be tenants friends. Some people could be using it just so then they don't have to pay for parking! If not, get one made up. Sure they wouldn't mind or shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 You're a bloody harsh landlord aren't you!!! If it was any old scrotes parking there and the tenants were complaining to you then fair enough, but the tenants allowing people to park there is surely not a problem - bit of give and take IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 bit of give and take IMO. Agreed, give `em hell and take `em to court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I know you're asking for legal advice and not opinions But personally if they're not blocking access to other properties, causing a nuisance or causing damage above usual wear and tear, or charging cars to park there, I'd say they should be able to use the drive as they see fit. I'd be very annoyed if my landlord tried to dictate to me who I could and couldn't let park on the driveway I pay for........ My response would be along the lines of 'leave me alone or lower my rent so it doesn't include the driveway'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Get orf my laaaand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I know you're asking for legal advice and not opinions But personally if they're not blocking access to other properties, causing a nuisance or causing damage above usual wear and tear, or charging cars to park there, I'd say they should be able to use the drive as they see fit. I'd be very annoyed if my landlord tried to dictate to me who I could and couldn't let park on the driveway I pay for........ My response would be along the lines of 'leave me alone or lower my rent so it doesn't include the driveway'. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Disgusting !! I bet they use the bog too when they visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 The area round a couple of my rental properties has recently become permit only or pay and display. Is thereany way I can stop tennats friend useing the drive as a free carpark. One day tghere were four of the buggers cars there. None were tenants cars as none can drive. I have thought of shooting the owners, dropping a skip on there cars or setting fire to them, but my wife thinks this would be wrong. Any help appreciated I'm not sure I understand? Where are the people parking? On the property's driveways?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Sorry too much Scotch last night. So no wonder my post was so badly written. Thanks for the helpful remarks. For the rest, let me explain, the title land lord is not always synonymous with rich capitalist bastards out to screw every penny from lesser beings, some of us do try to do the best for our tenants. Perhaps there might be another thread where you can post your words of wisdom as they are uncalled for here. They are causing wear, possibly causing insurance issues, aren't contributing to the maintenance and basically taking the *iss. ................................................ Outraged, in the Midlands. Exactly. The history of the area in a nut shell. 1000 student cars in the area every day due to students at university, recent big increase in student numbers, so the area could not cope with the addition of 1000 extra cars per day. Last year residents and tenants pressed the council to do something as parking was a real issue, some times dangerous, residents were getting cars damage in hit and run parking, me included. The university agreed to convert some of its land to accommodate many of the student cars. The council turned the area into resident only, pay and display I think parking up to 30 minutes is allowed in resident parking by non permit holders. The scheme has made the area much safer ie, junction visibility, kids able to cross road more safely. In recognition of their likely low income, students can apply for a low cost permits to park in the pay and display bays, at a reduced rate. Being such a "harsh land lord", once the new parking scheme was approved, but after contracts were drawn up and signed, I had drop kerbs put in. I converted the front gardens to car parking, so my tenants could park for free. This was at my expense at around £3000 per drive, and no, I did not put the rent up. My main issue is, I expect to pay for the driveway maintenance for ware and tear/damage caused by tenants. But not tight arsed scroats who don't want to buy a permit to park in the area. I have already had to have repairs carried out due to damage caused by unauthorised cars, because the buggers can't drive. The foot paths to the front doors were never designed for repeated use by cars so these to will need repairs soon as they are being parked on daily. My gesture of kindness, or should that be, harshness, is going to cost me dear. Some days the cars on the drives and paths are really shoe horned in, they must have to synchronise the parking and exit, or climb in and out through windows, the cars are really that close. Yesterday I parked my behind the cars on one drive, blocking them in. I was really surprised I never got one phone call from my tenants all day (11 hours), asking me to move my car. When I left at about 7.00pm, there was a sudden flurry of activity as the four cars drove off, such a shame they must have been late home. I have thought of using a local clamping firm, giving them a list of occasional guest registration numbers and let them clamp the the rest. But not sure of the legality. A cheaper option would be just to buy a couple of £50 shitters and block the drives with them, but I dont want the places to look shit. During my summer maintenance program I will be fitting locking posts, so tenants can park. If they don't have cars then they will not get a key, but I can give them temporary permits to give to friends who then could park up to 20 days, in the residents parking outside the properties. I just need a short term legal approach to reduce non tenant parking on the drives hence the original post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 burn them , burn them alll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'd go for cocktail sticks in the eyes... Or failing that, some gentle warnings about their deposits if they're causing damage?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Terminator, I'd look into the possibility of clamping and/or a chain across the driveway. Or if the driveway has gates, padlock them shut and give spare keys to the tenants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I just don't get why you've gone to trouble of providing tenant parking, then moaning that tenants are letting people park there! Whether you've put the rent up or not is your issue, if I've rented a place with a parking space and I don't have a car I'd happily let my friend park there instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzle Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 maybe a simple "tenants only" sign to start with then increase severity from there.. if however it is the tenant allowing it, a friendly word might be best advised first, highlighting your issues.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I just don't get why you've gone to trouble of providing tenant parking, then moaning that tenants are letting people park there! Whether you've put the rent up or not is your issue, if I've rented a place with a parking space and I don't have a car I'd happily let my friend park there instead. Exactly - and why did you put all the parking in if as you say none of the tennants can drive? Its obvious their friends/family will use it and you put it in without any clauses for maintenance. I have no issue with visitors parking at my rental, I put a clause in to stop people staying so it will always be short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm a bit confused. Is it friends of the tenants who are parking there or chancers using the drive for free parking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm a bit confused. Is it friends of the tenants who are parking there or chancers using the drive for free parking? He's mentioned friends a couple of times. Like i said if it was scrotes who you don't know then set up an autofiring sniper rifle to shoot them in the face, but tennants allowing people to use their space is fine surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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