Dnk Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 However you look at it Vettel and his side of the garage screwed up and they should have been much closer to Webber, after all Webber couldn't overtake the safety car until it pulled in ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 One theory that was floated yesterday in discussions at work was that there were team orders for Vettel was to hang back as much as possible on the safety car to back up the pack, and allow Webber to gain a good advantage - which would allow him to pit and retain the lead, and as a payback Webber would allow Vettel to pass him for a 1-2 finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 But surely Red Bull doing this would know about the 10-length rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 I can't see Webber going for that to be honest or Vettel but who knows in the crazy world of F1 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 How would they have passed that order without anyone knowing? There's no way they could have forseen that situation and already covered it in their briefing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny5 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 wow, Schuey actually admitted he was wrong: "Michael Schumacher has said he is "sorry" if Rubens Barrichello felt he had been put in danger by his blocking manoeuvre at the Hungarian Grand Prix. The Mercedes driver will be penalised 10 grid places at the next grand prix after he pushed his former team-mate within centimetres of a concrete wall. Schumacher wrote on his website: "The manoeuvre against him was too hard. "I didn't want to endanger him with my manoeuvre. If he had this feeling I am sorry, this was not my intention." Williams driver Barrichello called the move the most dangerous in his long career and said the German should have been black-flagged for dangerous driving. The seven-time world champion initially denied he was at fault. However, on reflection Schumacher admitted to making a mistake." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 How would they have passed that order without anyone knowing? There's no way they could have forseen that situation and already covered it in their briefing. It would have been like Ferrari's coded message to Massa Eddie Jordan did ask Christian Horner if they'd told Vettel to hang back on the restart, he denied they had done any such thing which i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 But surely Red Bull doing this would know about the 10-length rule? Well, that would explain why Vettel was so upset. I can't see Webber going for that to be honest or Vettel but who knows in the crazy world of F1 ! I can see Mark doing it, as he is a proper team player, but I agree that it seems unlikely. How would they have passed that order without anyone knowing? There's no way they could have forseen that situation and already covered it in their briefing. Not sure about this one... but Vettel was complaining that his headset wasn't working properly. Is there someone on the Beeb listening in to all radio comms between car & engineer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 One theory that was floated yesterday in discussions at work was that there were team orders for Vettel was to hang back as much as possible on the safety car to back up the pack, and allow Webber to gain a good advantage - which would allow him to pit and retain the lead, and as a payback Webber would allow Vettel to pass him for a 1-2 finish. That's the way I saw it, I think one of the commentators mentioned it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Is there someone on the Beeb listening in to all radio comms between car & engineer?Yes. Team comms have been fully opened up to TV now apparently. Taken from an article about the Ferrari team orders at Hockenheim: "...this was the first grand prix in which all radio communications were available to television..." http://www.planetf1.com/editorial/6278903/Why-Ferrari-Were-Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Not all pitlane transmissions are broadcast to the TV, but the FIA monitor all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 It would have been an obvious team order i think under the circumstances and if Red Bull had of done something like that i'd think we'd know about it by now. Ferrari would also be screaming their heads off like they normally do if someone else is breaking the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 It would have been an obvious team order i think under the circumstances and if Red Bull had of done something like that i'd think we'd know about it by now. Ferrari would also be screaming their heads off like they normally do if someone else is breaking the rules.I bet they wouldn't - they were the team that benefited most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Not all pitlane transmissions are broadcast to the TV, but the FIA monitor all. Yeah, I assumed that - got to have Big Brother keeping an eye on everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Not long till what could be a very interesting if not dramatic Spa Gp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobgoblin Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Go on Webber. I got him (pre season) at 14/1 to win the drivers title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Give Vettel a penalty. Arrogant little ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopgunTT Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Poor Button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Vettel is a tool..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Vettel is a tool..... The human equivalent of an MOT hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 What a superb drive from Sutil today, really doing it nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Ha ha ha Vettel. You toilet. Walk back to the pits, you chancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 The human equivalent of an MOT hammer. Lol......that's quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Ha ha ha Vettel. You toilet. Walk back to the pits, you chancer. Karma's a bitch What a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Thought it would be an interesting race shame it wasn't Hamilton, Button and Webber 123. I was amazed Alonso's car kept going after being attacked by RB at the chicane !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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