dr_jekyll Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 i was disaponted with that race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Not a bad race but the "excitement" disappeared once Hamilton got into the top 10 by lap 10 or so. In terms of spectacle it was between the Bahrain's and Australian's GP. Does points of view still exist? i think ill write in... Think I spotted it in the schedules today at 4pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 4, 2010 Author Share Posted April 4, 2010 I was one that Sky+'d the sodding race and only got BBC1's section. I was absolutely fuming, in this day and age there is no need or excuse for a channel swap half way through a race. If the Easter SoP is so important then the race should have been on BBC2 from the outset. It beggers belief that they would c0ck things up so badly. I don't recall them exactly screaming about it on the website or the quali or I might have noticed. If the race had been more exciting I'd have been more upset... Ho hum moving on...why is the FW32 so cr@p? Congrats Tony, the FI has come good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Fantastic! We didn't think Malaysia would suit us so much, but still 10 more points in the bag. Pity that Kubica got past us, but brilliant to hear Hamilton on the radio saying we were too quick and he couldn't get past. :D You have a right to be proud chap. I was very very impressed by Sutil and he/you guys were there solidly on effort I'm a big big fan of sutil, and how well FI have done in the last 24 months. I'm not a fan at all of Liuzzi though, I don't think he deserves the drive. Apart from that to you and the team TI was one that Sky+'d the sodding race and only got BBC1's section. I was absolutely fuming, in this day and age there is no need or excuse for a channel swap half way through a race. If the Easter SoP is so important then the race should have been on BBC2 from the outset. It beggers belief that they would c0ck things up so badly. I don't recall them exactly screaming about it on the website or the quali or I might have noticed. I agree! I don't think they mentioned it at all... and I watched P1 and P2 too! Pixelfill's most got me going wtf, I saw the 10am thing then looked at the listings of BBC2 and made the connection before I think they announced it. It is a downright scheduling disgrace as others have said, it should've just been shown on BBC2 from the offset, or alternatively put that cult easter show on BBC2. Right up there with ITV cutting to commercial whilst Alonso was on the defensive from Schumacher a few years ago. Prats. If they did this with the world cup they'd be strung up. The FW32 seems to be middle ground of everything doesn't it? Not great high speed, not great low mechanical grip/exit traction nor great on lateral load. Hulkenburg was impressive though. Torro Rosso drivers impressed me too with a few solid overtakes, didn't rate Jaimie at all and was in agreement with Brundle. Alonso did well with the ailing car on the downshift bar one wobble onto the back straight and of course it going pop in the end. Oh and I'd pay good money for someone to shut up JL... especially his stupid shouting at the finish. He's no Murray Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 FFS, why not just put it on BBC2? couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Another brilliant result for FI, well done Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 FIA have clarified that there is no system to be on a car that can alter ride height on a car for qualifying then adjust for park ferme http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8608272.stm Guess it's because of the teams doubting the legality of RBR, but yet Horner did state on the BBC coverage that there was no system on the RBR car. Not that people can't lie of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 I thought it was a loophole whereby teams were allowed to regass their shocks or something? And RBR were regassing a bit more than required to up the ride height with more fuel. So now the FIA have said "Any system, device or procedure, the purpose and/or the effect of which is to change the set up of the suspension" surely that means the loophole has been closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 FIA have clarified that there is no system to be on a car that can alter ride height on a car for qualifying then adjust for park ferme http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8608272.stm Guess it's because of the teams doubting the legality of RBR, but yet Horner did state on the BBC coverage that there was no system on the RBR car. Not that people can't lie of course. A system doesn't have to be on a car for any of the teams to ask for a 'clarification' that would result in a component or part being deemed legal / illegal. What the FIA have said is that you are not allowed a system that changes ride heights in parc ferme. Whether that system changes the ride height instantaneously (ie by someone adding a spacer block out for instance) or over a long period of time by a gas leaking out of damper the end result is the same, and as such contravenes article 34.5 of the sporting regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 So what does this mean for RBR then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 So what does this mean for RBR then? Nothing, if you believe Christian Horner. Who's betting against RBR for pole in the next race, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimojameso Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Red Bull racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 A system doesn't have to be on a car for any of the teams to ask for a 'clarification' that would result in a component or part being deemed legal / illegal. What the FIA have said is that you are not allowed a system that changes ride heights in parc ferme. Whether that system changes the ride height instantaneously (ie by someone adding a spacer block out for instance) or over a long period of time by a gas leaking out of damper the end result is the same, and as such contravenes article 34.5 of the sporting regs. If a system isn't changing, but holding a ride height is that illegal too? As in if a suspension arrnagement was preventing a car from dropping with weight would that be illegal too? From the wording it seems this is ok as it's not "changing" the ride height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 How would that work? It'd need to be low to the ground in quali and then also low to the ground with fuel onboard - basically the suspension would need to be solid!! I'm sure that wouldn't be good for handling! Although I'm guessing F1 suspension is pretty stiff anyway seeing as they need to hold up a couple of tons of downforce! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 How would that work? It'd need to be low to the ground in quali and then also low to the ground with fuel onboard - basically the suspension would need to be solid!! I'm sure that wouldn't be good for handling! Although I'm guessing F1 suspension is pretty stiff anyway seeing as they need to hold up a couple of tons of downforce! There are mechanical ways around it (or so claim people with a better understanding that I)...without the suspension being solid...I'm trying to work out if all mechanical systems that stop ride height changing are banned...or if only ones that actively or passively reduce height as load comes off are banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Surely if the FIA have said "Any system, device or procedure, the purpose and/or the effect of which is to change the set up of the suspension" is illegal, then keeping the ride height constant, independent of load is changing the set up of the suspension? If load increases/decreases but the ride height remains constant, then surely this is achieved by increasing/decreasing the spring rate? (Or equivalent of) I'd have thought this would be considered as a change to the suspension set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Seems pretty straight forward to me, if RedBull haven't got something being altered then surely the car would be on the ground when it had a full tank of fuel at the start of a race ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Seems pretty straight forward to me, if RedBull haven't got something being altered then surely the car would be on the ground when it had a full tank of fuel at the start of a race ? More to the point it would be up in the air with no fuel in it during quali! Anyone got any shots at the end of a race compared to quali? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Seems pretty straight forward to me, if RedBull haven't got something being altered then surely the car would be on the ground when it had a full tank of fuel at the start of a race ? Wonder if you could have some resevoir system linked to a float in the fuel tank? Inversely. i.e if the float showed low fuel in the tank that'd allow a low amount of fluid into the shocks for a low ride height Then when the tank's full it'll allow a higher amount of fluid into the shocks to balance out the weight differential, then as it tapers off it drains it out, lowering ride height with the weight loss. Ok doesn't allow for spring rate changes required etc, quite rudimentary. Just thinking of how a system works on a car with a reserve tank / twin fuel tanks and how it balances them and pumps fuel into the primary tank when it's low from the secondary tank. Sort of hydrolic too I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Like a toilet cystern then when you flush the loo lol I dont think it matters what anyones got as the rules seem to state quite clearly if the ride height is altered blah blah its ilegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I doubt Martin Whitmarsh of Mclaren would accuse a specific team of adjusting their ride height without being confident that he was right. I don't think we've heard the last of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartworm Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 I wonder how much money McLaren have spent on the system they were developing that's been scrapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 15, 2010 Author Share Posted April 15, 2010 I wonder how much money McLaren have spent on the system they were developing that's been scrapped. Maybe none - they have in the passed been very vocal about a rule bending idea they are "going to put in" only in reality to force the FIA to clarify a rule and get an item on another car deemed illegal. I believe the last example was the flexing floor on the Ferrari in the early 2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Out of curiosity what's everyone's opinion on who's going to win the China GP? Hamilton if he qualifies good, if not I'm rooting for the ferraris. For some reason RBR as a team never got.... Likeable. That and I'm wondering if their qualifying performance suddenly drops off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 So what do we think of the wheels falling off of that Toro Rosso? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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