Nick Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Not looking good: http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=209066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hmmm, An interstesting read, wonder how accurate the reports are... As it does seem to be rather serious, suprised it has not had more coverage.. Gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Scary read! I like the bit about no research being allowed in the USA! Is this something to do with Kyoto? (spelling?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I've been trying to tell people at work that we'll all be dead by 2030 but they won't listen!!! They'll still blame car drivers though. The ever increasing population is just as scary!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 This thread is starting to worry me. I suppose there's not really much you can do about it though....(apathy ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hmmm another thing for the environmentalists to get their teeth into:- quote:- This happened 5,200 years ago, and has amply been revealed in the fossil record. quote:- We need to concentrate on cleaning up our problems here on Earth, so future generations can inherit a world worth living in. Those pesky bloody ancestors of ours have stitched us up haven they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 And this, the day after a TV program predicted soaring temperatures in the UK. Ho Hum! It's all doom and gloom these days, it wasn't long ago that we were going into another ice age, then it was global warming with the UK turning into a desert (the bits of it that weren't flooded by the rising water level), now it's the Gulf stream stopping. I'd better get out in the Supra and cause some more pollution, burning those, oh so valuable, fossil fuels, before its too late, and we're all trapped in our houses. We'll be shivvering from the cold, apart from the days in the heatwave, and having to traverse the flooded countryside in a boat, to get to the desert to look at the failing crops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 It may be true or it may be exaggerated. Time will tell.... Call me a cynic but with the US and UK elections having just taken place this sort of story wouldn't have gone down too well so I'm not surprised it hasn't been in the media.... I'm appauled, but not at all surprised, that the US have apparently blocked all agencies from studying this. Lets face it, by pulling out of the Kyoto agreement Bush sent a clear message to the world about how the US feels about the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I heard summers are going to get hotter as they get shorter!!! Then they'll be so short that it won't notice and they'll not be hot or long enough to melt the ice from winter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I heard summers are going to get hotter as they get shorter!!! Then they'll be so short that it won't notice and they'll not be hot or long enough to melt the ice from winter!! So how does this all fit in with the global warming that we've been told about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attilauk Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 my girlfriend will throw a total head fit when she reads this, she's got a masters in geology and did her dissertation on climate change in the fossil record, this sort of thing happens all the time from a geological point of view. the really funny thing is all the scientists deluding the world population into thinking its their fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I'm appauled, but not at all surprised, that the US have apparently blocked all agencies from studying this. Lets face it, by pulling out of the Kyoto agreement Bush sent a clear message to the world about how the US feels about the environment. - Cause they are the superpower of the world and can do whatever they please just like china. - Kyoto doesnt help them take over an oil state I've been hearing about Global Warming, Global Dimming, etc for years now. There is a lot of conflicting information out there...however very interesting and worrying stuff too. More work needs to be done, studies and research need to be collaborated and a unified action is required. That would be ideal......will it happen.....will it feck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 The Gulf stream slow down has been predicted long ago, this is not the first time. Problem is that these 'theories' look at it in isolation, but things don't work like that. Melting ice and specific temp changes may indeed change that balance, but other imbalances will emerge and a new equilibrium will be eventually reached --- it's very difficult (impossible maybe) to predict the result of so many interactions. The largest computers in the world have been used for meteorological predictions, and despite the terrabytes of data processed every day they still have trouble predicting one *week* ahead with any sort of accuracy, let alone months and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt T Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 The largest computers in the world have been used for meteorological predictions, and despite the terrabytes of data processed every day they still have trouble predicting one *week* ahead with any sort of accuracy, let alone months and years. Completely different scales though. That is local weather conditions, not global climate changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 True, but it indicates just how primitive the underlying models are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Time to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Where to? Tau Ceti? -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt T Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Where to? Tau Ceti? -Ian Lol!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Southern Med is becoming more and more hot in the summers, which have extended as well. The med is becoming subtropical now. What next, typhoons and a rain season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 What would happen if we were living at the end of the last ice age? We would be tearing ourselves apart with guilt about the fact that the ice was melting and it's obviously our fault..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Yeah but that would mean we'd evolved to cope with it, we wouldn't need wooly jumpers and we'd all be boiling to death as the ice melted. As it stands we are built to live in a moderate climate, if it changes too much either way we'll be relying on technology to save us as our feeble bodies can't cope. And when technology eventually fails?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attilauk Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 And when technology eventually fails?.... we evolve or die, survival of the fittest mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Exactly. But even our technology will fail at some point, and mother nature seems determined to not let any species exist for any large amount of time!! Women huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I may be painting with broad strokes here, but after reading the "About" section on that site, it doesn't strike me as the kind of place where one would go to post up an article on how great fossil fuel usage is or how the climate is in fact probably going to be OK for the time being... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hmm interesting theory there guys. Evolve or die. How long does evolution take? Few hundred thousand years for any noticeable difference? The last time there was significant climate change according to that article was 5,200 years ago. A blink of an eyelid in terms of evolution (maybe a third eye-eyelid??) And back then we were living in little mud shacks. Put it this way I'm not rushing out to buy shares in piz buin, or rubber dinghies are us (depending on which theory you believe!) just yet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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