Green Peace Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I was working with someone today who wants to buy a new car, but she only has an Automatic Licence.. So in order to suggest anything...I would need to know if she is allowed to drive aTiptronic or a manual selectronic gearbox. What is classed as an auto 'auto clutch' or 'auto gears' no-one seems to know the answer. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 From a licensing point of view, I've always understood that if the car has 2 pedals, AND a way of fully automating the gear changes, it's an auto, 3 pedals and it won't change unless you tell it to, its a manual. Fancy gadgets like tiptronic paddles or buttons don't make any difference. Its the ability to start without manually using a clutch, and change gear without any driver input that makes it automatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 It's definately an auto. You can change manually on the steering wheel but you can also change manually on a conventional auto gearbox by moving the selector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 the car will alter it's gear selection without any input from the driver, planetary gearset and a torque converter, it's an auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 It says 'Auto' on my Tiptronic's log book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 The tiptronic is a proper auto box, exactly the same as the previous generations of non tiptronic.. it is the ECU that makes it tiptronic as it sends the signals to change the gears anyway.. It is actually possible to convert a standard auto into tiptronic with a few little bits of electronics and I know this has been done before. Gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 It is actually possible to convert a standard auto into tiptronic with a few little bits of electronics and I know this has been done before. Oooh, how how?!!! I wonder if anyone's converted an auto into a tiptronic with proper F1 style paddles, rather than the up / down buttons on the normal Supra tiptronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I remember seeing someone in australia who has posted it on the net, however by all accounts he is not around anymore.. I will see if I can dig out the link somewhere... Convertng to paddles is actually a very simple procedure if you already have got tiptronic, since it is merely moving some wiring over onto the new buttons. Gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 The SMART that my dad has isn't really an auto. There's no clutch, and it does change gear for you if you don't do it, but only when it hits the redline!!!!! So it'll flash away on the dash telling you to change gear, and then waits till 6000 revs before changing for you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3xt3r Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Get the Suprastick It turns the auto box to a tiptronic one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 So it'll flash away on the dash telling you to change gear, and then waits till 6000 revs before changing for you!!! Its SMART...its doesnt want to die..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Get the Suprastick It turns the auto box to a tiptronic one. What's a Suprastick? I don't know what it is, but I want one already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Peace Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 Excellent thanks for your help...cool idea with the Tiptronic Paddle Shift Conversion, I was thinking about Tiptronic at one point the only thing that put me off was that it 'didn't' have the F1 style paddle shift...but if you can convert then thats obviously.. ...Way To go. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 It depends what's on the V5. Supra tiptronic = auto BMW SMG = manual, despite only having 2 pedals and a full-auto mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 When JIC were trading I am sure they always adretised Tips as Auto's. Matt has or had buttons on his steering wheel on his auto box. Not sure what function it had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Would love a tiptronic gearbox, but love the car I've got too much to part with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 They use the auto 4 speed box, there is no manually driven clutch, its certainly not a Getrag, so I can see why they call them autos. Remember even the automatics had 3 gears you can 'manually' shift into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Peace Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 It depends what's on the V5. Supra tiptronic = auto BMW SMG = manual, despite only having 2 pedals and a full-auto mode. Weird. This is what i mean....There seems to be a lot of confusion as to wether some of these Sequential gearboxes are legally classed as Auto or Manual... Aparently the Ferrari F1 gearbox is legally classed as an Auto lol so whats the difference with the SMG This is what Confuses her...though doubt shes got the money for a Ferrari or an M3..but I know she is interested in a Tiptronic Golf or small Merc A Class which has a normal gearstick but an auto clutch...so shes confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Weird. This is what i mean....There seems to be a lot of confusion as to wether some of these Sequential gearboxes are legally classed as Auto or Manual... but I know she is interested in a Tiptronic Golf or small Merc A Class which has a normal gearstick but an auto clutch...so shes confused! I'm virtually 100% sure that if you have to move a gearstick to change gears, whether the clutch is automatic or not, then that car is classed as a manual. If, however there is a position on the gearshift, where the car takes complete control of gear selection, then it's an automatic. Automatics with manual overide,(like the tiptronic Supra) are just that, automatics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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