dude Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 You need to find out what cat the salvage is dude, for parts is cat b or a you should not even be allowed to keep it!!! You need a waste licence just to transport it, the car can never go back on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 You need to find out what cat the salvage is dude, for parts is cat b or a you should not even be allowed to keep it!!! You need a waste licence just to transport it, the car can never go back on the road. Cheers for the advice. I'll find out in Jan... In the meanwhile, if anyone needs most of the parts on the car, PM me offers and we'll see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I see vultures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Reading between the lines (I haven't read/don't remember the crash thread) it sounds like the crash wasn't your fault (i.e. you weren't driving at the time). If so there's no reason why you should be left with the salvage. I too would do what CJ suggested: £13k is a lot to pull back from a damaged supra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I see vultures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley-jm Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 sorry to see this mate:(. My two pence worth is that the ins co made you a settlement offer. You are free to counteroffer or negotiate without necessarily making your position worse. You should definately also get some alternative salavage quotes - couldn't some of the traders on the forum do this from your listing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 This car stands you about £50K? these turkeys have damaged your car while in your care. Take it to a specialist who can repair it tot he highest standard and let them pay the bill, otherwise they can give you £50K. You should be at no financial loss over someone elses mistake. You can argue payout figures all you want. You didnt give anyone permission to wreck it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supranature Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 This car stands you about £50K? these turkeys have damaged your car while in your care. Take it to a specialist who can repair it tot he highest standard and let them pay the bill, otherwise they can give you £50K. You should be at no financial loss over someone elses mistake. You can argue payout figures all you want. You didnt give anyone permission to wreck it. Was wondering when someone was going to say this-something is very wrong here. Best of luck whichever route you take, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Go see your lawyer asap. This is just crazy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 This car stands you about £50K? these turkeys have damaged your car while in your care. Take it to a specialist who can repair it tot he highest standard and let them pay the bill, otherwise they can give you £50K. You should be at no financial loss over someone elses mistake. You can argue payout figures all you want. You didnt give anyone permission to wreck it. i agree with ernie mate, you should not have do to any leg work.. what price was the car worth prior to smash if you were to sell once you reach that figure then i think thats whats owed to you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 The problem here is guys and im seeing this from both sides of the fence im sure the garage did not crash the car on purpose and it may well have been an accident that was out of there hands. what did you have the car insured for with your own insurers because the garages insurance company will check that, if it were to go to a small claims type court then you would end up with a lot less because the garage would only have to prove what it was worth niot what it owes you in ££££. Garages are in a no win situation in these cases we are dealing with customer cars with sometimes 600 hp +++ and we get the when you accelerate flat out ******* scenario so we go out and try a recreate this to find the problem and as we all know shit can happen, diesal, damp patch etc, people pulling out etc, next thing its all the garages fault the guy was thrashing it about etc, not always so. The garages only liability here is to pass it on to his insurers as far as I know and it will be pretty hard to convince any insurance company that a 10 year old toyota is worth over 50K, like I said guys what we spend and what they are worth are 2 diff things. I always prefer to test with the customer in the car but that is not always possible and some aren't too keen to get in with me!!!! But at least people know the cars are not a novelty to us as we own our own so that prob does make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 T and some aren't too keen to get in with me!!!! stop spraying yourself with lynx africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 stop spraying yourself with lynx africa And there was me thinking it was the Brut!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsta_01 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 It's the company that damaged the car's insurance. Sorry to hear about the crash mate. As far is i know, you don't have to accept their offer. Its your insurance company that decides what your car is worth and you should pass any offers etc on to them. Also get some quotes for salvage/repair and pass them on to your insurance company as well. They will then contact the garages insurance company. Alternatively you can accept the offer and tell them to keep the car and give you $13k + the offer. Just depends on how much the offer is. Because with that amount of cash you can easily buy another single. Which saves you all the headache and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsta_01 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 In fact inho, i reckon you should contact this guy http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=188169 I'd buy it if i had the cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Go see your lawyer asap. Sound advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 Cheers guys. I've just emailed the insurers to see what they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Go see your lawyer asap. This is just crazy ! Do this mate. Really sorry to hear this has happened. If the car was damaged when under their care, then it’s their responsibility to get it back to you the same condition as it went in period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You should not be out of pocket for a penny on this. Its the garage's responsability to get this back to you in either A1 condition, or reimburse you for a suitable replacement of same age/condition/performance. Get your Solicitor on this ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You should not be out of pocket for a penny on this. Its the garage's responsability to get this back to you in either A1 condition, or reimburse you for a suitable replacement of same age/condition/performance. Get your Solicitor on this ASAP. Worst thing you could do. The Ins. company have obviously offrered a sum of money + the salvage they are valuing at 13K. Take that to a court and get the garage to produce evidence that the car can be replaced for prob under 17K and I think you will find you will be even more out of pocket. Motor policies are not 'new for old' they will argue on the cost of replacing that car like for like and we all know there are a few singles about for a lot less than the sums we are prob talking about here, im sure the garage would just forward any legal paperwork to their insurers who will have loss adjusters trained to make sure the payout is as little as poss. I think you should tell the ins co you want the 13K in cash as well as their settlement offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Worst thing you could do. The Ins. company have obviously offrered a sum of money + the salvage they are valuing at 13K. Take that to a court and get the garage to produce evidence that the car can be replaced for prob under 17K and I think you will find you will be even more out of pocket. Motor policies are not 'new for old' they will argue on the cost of replacing that car like for like and we all know there are a few singles about for a lot less than the sums we are prob talking about here, im sure the garage would just forward any legal paperwork to their insurers who will have loss adjusters trained to make sure the payout is as little as poss. I think you should tell the ins co you want the 13K in cash as well as their settlement offer. I'd 100% agree if he was at fault, but it's the garage's fault, so he should not fall foul of the consequences. I'd just like to point out that I've not got any legal experience of this, I'm purely speaking from what I personally would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Worst thing you could do. The Ins. company have obviously offrered a sum of money + the salvage they are valuing at 13K. Take that to a court and get the garage to produce evidence that the car can be replaced for prob under 17K and I think you will find you will be even more out of pocket. Motor policies are not 'new for old' they will argue on the cost of replacing that car like for like and we all know there are a few singles about for a lot less than the sums we are prob talking about here, im sure the garage would just forward any legal paperwork to their insurers who will have loss adjusters trained to make sure the payout is as little as poss. I think you should tell the ins co you want the 13K in cash as well as their settlement offer. I understand your legal point here but let me ask you a question If AFR built a car for me and I spent £35K on parts and labour, then you drove the car to an MOT station to make it road legal and you crashed it you would expect the customer to walk away with whatever the insurance company deem its value and would offer no compensation seems very harsh to me, I would be very upset, this guy never even got to drive the thing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 It really is a difficult situation and one that wont end in the right moral answer. It's one reason I hate driving customers cars, but that's my choice Totally understand where you are coming from Dean mate, it would be soul destroying. Sadly Insurance companies are insurance companies, whether it was a trade or personal claim the answer would likely be the same. The insurance company will try and pay out as little as possible. I guess the question here is whether the garage concerned are prepared to pay out a sum to negate the difference between monies spent and money back from the insurance company. Not an easy one though:( TBH I've not read the thread in it's entirety, but would there legally be recourse for a private claim on the driver ??? How you smash up a car on the way to the MOT station is beyond me. If the car was being driven without care, it's not the fault of the business, as a legal entity, but the driver. Have to say I'm not a legal bod but if the crash was due to lack of care then there should be some recourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 Thanks for all the comments chaps. At the moment I'm dealing with the insurers and they're being very helpful and accommodating as they're aware that it wasn't my fault and are aiming to settle this quickly and amicably. I'll keep you up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 It really is a difficult situation and one that wont end in the right moral answer. It's one reason I hate driving customers cars, but that's my choice Totally understand where you are coming from Dean mate, it would be soul destroying. Sadly Insurance companies are insurance companies, whether it was a trade or personal claim the answer would likely be the same. The insurance company will try and pay out as little as possible. I guess the question here is whether the garage concerned are prepared to pay out a sum to negate the difference between monies spent and money back from the insurance company. Not an easy one though:( TBH I've not read the thread in it's entirety, but would there legally be recourse for a private claim on the driver ??? How you smash up a car on the way to the MOT station is beyond me. If the car was being driven without care, it's not the fault of the business, as a legal entity, but the driver. Have to say I'm not a legal bod but if the crash was due to lack of care then there should be some recourse. Fully agree Matt and was not having a pop at AFR by the way, it really does make you think though as a customer, I would almost insist that the car be on a trailer should it need an MOT or work off site I fully understand the risks of road mapping and a total loss during this "high speed" testing is your risk but a trip to an MOT station, I would be very annoyed to say the least if I was not compensated beyond the expected poor insurance offer If you sell your "£50,000 Supra" for £13K thats your call and loss (I did !!), but for someone else to crash it and expect you to pick up the loss, that is a bit much IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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