RLTC good investment?

[imi]

Now thats the kind of unashamed enthusiasm i was looking for!

thanks for the post mate.

 

Everyones a fantastic driver until they powerslide into a lampost! then it allways something about phantom diesel spills or jittery hicas systems...lol.. (anyone who owns a skyline knows what im talking about!)

 

How hard are you planning on driving the car on public roads (that too in London)? You sound like another JamieP

[Homer]

I love RLTC , when used properly it can make an average driver look good and good driver look brilliant, lets be honest guys we aren't all driving gods and i will be the first to admit i only really learnt to slide a car properly with the confidence that RLTC brings.

As for "real men dont use it", from a standing start i have a built auto, hi stall, good tyres, 500hp and RLTC which means i have beat every single car off the mark i have come up against, some may say wheres the skill in that, but i would rather win every time than get beat "driving like a man" to some smirking A hole in his BM, Merc, Porker (all of which have a far more sophisticated traction control system). To me RLTC is just another tuning mod such as UK spec brakes and worth every penny

 

Auto, bleerrgh Might as well have it with the slush box, it will actually help them be more controllable.

 

BTW, which box do you have Jas?

[dude]

IMO its essential!!!!

 

Allthough I drive with it off most of the time its nice to be able to switch it on when I just want to drive the car and listen to the stereo.

[Muffleman]

It is a very good traction control system, but totally agree with Alex - just dont rely on it.

[Pete]

It should only cut in when you intend it to, otherwise, refine your driving/car.

It could just be simply that the RLTC is setup poorly too of course. Depends who installed it.

[Branners]

Without a moments hesitation I would say get it fitted.

 

The Supra in the wet with BPU sequential turbo has the ability to throw you off the road with no notice. You go to accelerate past a truck, run across a wet white line while the second turbo kicks in and the car ends up in the barrier.

 

In my 10 years of running the club I have seen it so many times. The first mkiv I saw written off went that way, the owner then fitted Racelogic on their next one and had the car for nearly 8 years with no problems.

 

A properly set up RLTC will make the car so much safer and enjoyable to drive. It cannot defy the laws of physics, too fast in to a corner or just too much accelerator at just the wrong time will catch it out, but it will cope with most day to day driving conditions.

 

Get it fitted, get is mapped properly and change the settings depending on the road conditions.

 

If you listen to the nay sayers and dont get it fitted and then damage the car you will always wonder if it was a mistake.

[Jas]

How hard are you planning on driving the car on public roads (that too in London)? You sound like another JamieP

 

Im a big fan of driving appropriately shall we say on roads.

 

sliding round corners is for track days, not supermarket round-a-bouts in my opinion.

 

Im not yet aquainted with JamieP so ill reserve judgement on that particular observation for now.

 

 

[Jas]

Not wishing to take the piss fella, but you really need to take the car to a specialist to get the geo done. Feltham do just do a basic setup based on stock setings, it's an utter waste of money. As soon as the wheels, suspension springs, dampers or weight distribution is changed the stock settings are as good as junk. Get it to a place that actually understands geo and sets the car up to it's own specification. It will make a world of difference, take it from me and the many others that have had their cars set up properly. Wheels in motion shouldn't be too far from you.

 

 

No fair enough homer. although they do seem to compensate the stock margins for wheels and suspension - but by all means ill check out wheels in motion and see if they can improve my setup if you have had experience of felthem and this other place.

 

ill google them. thanks for the advice.

 

im hear to improve my supra not inflate my ego so all (supra related) advice is welcome.

Edited December 30, 2009 by Jas (see edit history)

[Jas]

i think given the feed back, im definately having it fitted.

 

should help me put (my modest) power down more cleanly and although i dont really boot the car round corners all that often on the roads, it doesnt sound like a bad safety net to have.

 

thanks guys.

[gaijin]

I've had it for almost 4 years;can't fault it.Had no instuctions when i bought the car(already fitted),so don't do what i did:thought 26% setting was giving more grip.First time on a damp road,floored it,went sideways like a one legged screaming ferret.Can only think it was the amount of OMG's i said that saved me.Total dickhead.Read the instuctions online after that.RTFI:)

[T2 MSW]

i've had it for almost 4 years;can't fault it.had no instuctions when i bought the car(already fitted),so don't do what i did:thought 26% setting was giving more grip.first time on a damp road,floored it,went sideways like a one legged screaming ferret.can only think it was the amount of omg's i said that saved me.total dickhead.read the instuctions online after that.rtfi:)

 

lmao

[AndyT]

Of course the other way to do it Jas, since you're in a single, is to change your ecu to a Solaris item.

Does it all in one package then.

[gaijin]

Dear me,yes.

[johnny g]

Of course the other way to do it Jas, since you're in a single, is to change your ecu to a Solaris item.

Does it all in one package then.

 

[Jas]

Of course the other way to do it Jas, since you're in a single, is to change your ecu to a Solaris item.

Does it all in one package then.

 

 

Im not in a single. .. not last time i looked under my hood anyhow!

 

Just the stock twin turbo setup on my supra..

 

does the solaris ecu not work with a twin setup?

 

if it does may be an idea to get that now instead to allow potential for future upgrade to a single??...

[JamieP]

Im not in a single. .. not last time i looked under my hood anyhow!

 

Just the stock twin turbo setup on my supra..

 

does the solaris ecu not work with a twin setup?

 

if it does may be an idea to get that now instead to allow potential for future upgrade to a single??...

 

Yup, Solaris (now named Syvecs) will work with stock twins, at bpu it would be a good upgrade imo.

[tDR]

Just the stock twin turbo setup on my supra..

 

does the solaris ecu not work with a twin setup?

 

 

It will yep, so rather than lots of addons if you're sure you're gonna go down the single route in future then go for the decent ECU now with traction control built in. It'll be more sophisticated in how it works too - G sensors etc. rather than just ABS pickup based if you wanna go that far with it.

 

For the record, I've always thought traction control should be your right foot. Too many folks with digital right feet IMO - fix that before looking to nanny devices that mask the real problem. All the scenarios of doom without TC described can be avoided with an analogue right foot and a bit of thought about when to go WOT. I binned the TC (stock TC is utterly useless!) on all my Supras and successfully drove with a hi-stall setup and a 2-way diff (effectively brutal power delivery) in all kinds of weather conditions for years on my last. Each of my Supras was sold on, not written off.

 

I also managed a 1.64 sec 60ft at the strip on a BPU car without any TC so a lack of it definately doesn't put you at a performance / launch disadvantage.

 

Cheers,

 

Brian.

[AndyT]

Im not in a single. .. not last time i looked under my hood anyhow!

 

Just the stock twin turbo setup on my supra..

 

does the solaris ecu not work with a twin setup?

 

if it does may be an idea to get that now instead to allow potential for future upgrade to a single??...

 

Oops. Somehow thought I'd read 500bhp and assumed you were single.

[johnny g]

Yep, if you work out the cost of RLTC approx £650-£700; then a good boost controller, around £400 (HKS EVC VI), then you're at £1000-1100 already.

 

For an extra few hundred quid, you're getting a top notch ECU that'll control everything.

[Jas]

You people have knowledge and experience spewing out or every orifice!!...

 

I love it.

 

(apologies for any disturbing mental imagery inadvertently induced...)

 

Hmm ... im liking the sound of an ecu upgrade. im sure ill want to go single at some point.

 

Will the ecu allow me to turn the traction off? Ie does it just sit in place of the stock traction system??

 

 

Il start doing some more digging on ecu’s.... right - where’s that search button everyone keeps raving about!

[AndyT]

You people have knowledge and experience spewing out or every orifice!!...

 

I love it.

 

(apologies for any disturbing mental imagery inadvertently induced...)

 

Hmm ... im liking the sound of an ecu upgrade. im sure ill want to go single at some point.

 

Will the ecu allow me to turn the traction off? Ie does it just sit in place of the stock traction system??

 

 

Il start doing some more digging on ecu’s.... right - where’s that search button everyone keeps raving about!

 

Controls everything Jas. RyanG of 2 bar tuning is our member expert for installation / supply. Find him under Forums, traders. JampieP runs the ecu as well as a couple of other well knowledgeable members. M5W TT is waiting for his to get mapped. (I think)

Makes a lot of sense when put like Johnny G puts it doesn't it.

PM Ryan and see what the options are.

[johnny g]

You can turn the TC off, should you wish. There's an 8 way calibration switch where you can configure the ECU to do pretty much everything you want

[Gerry]

IMO....

 

I had it fitted when I was about to go BPU.

 

Over the years, there has been many cars crashed "coming out of a roundabout" etc etc and I'm sure some of these guys were better drivers than me.

 

My thinking was that if it saves me (or more importantly, my wife)from completely losing the back end in the wet just once ever, it will have been a good investment.

 

It's also fun in the wet away from the lights if I feel the need to be a hooligan

 

G

[Branners]

Yep, if you work out the cost of RLTC approx £650-£700; then a good boost controller, around £400 (HKS EVC VI), then you're at £1000-1100 already.

 

For an extra few hundred quid, you're getting a top notch ECU that'll control everything.

 

Dont forget the cost of the mapping though, that could double that cost to get it spot on. You are also then running a non standard ECU which the insurance company may take a dislike to.

 

If you never plan on going beyond BPU then I would stick with the stock ECU, get RLTC and a boost controller and enjoy the car in its most reliable form.

[johnny g]

Dont forget the cost of the mapping though, that could double that cost to get it spot on. You are also then running a non standard ECU which the insurance company may take a dislike to.

 

If you never plan on going beyond BPU then I would stick with the stock ECU, get RLTC and a boost controller and enjoy the car in its most reliable form.

 

I can see your logic there mate - but I think we'll differ