Buying a Chinese take away tonight

[Stratty]

With regard to China, I was told when studying law that in our country stats show that punishment is not a deterrent and that criminals rarely consider the punishment prior to committing the crime.

 

 

The punishment may not deter them but at least they wont reoffend if they are six feet under..

[Pete]

I'm glad someone brought up the inevitable Tiananmen Square soldiers vs students incident.

 

It's funny, but if you ask normal people in Beijing what they think of that they believe the students were wrong. You have to just accept that different countries have very different lives, upbringings and beliefs to us and respect that.

 

I expect if we eventually ever encounter alien life we'll tell them they're doing it all wrong too.

[RedM]

I'm glad someone brought up the inevitable Tiananmen Square soldiers vs students incident.

 

It's funny, but if you ask normal people in Beijing what they think of that they believe the students were wrong. You have to just accept that different countries have very different lives, upbringings and beliefs to us and respect that.

 

..or maybe they are too afraid to say what they really think.

 

China has an appalling record of human rights. People regularly go 'missing' or, at least, get detained without trial. Have a Google for 'china black jails' or look at the websites of Human Righs Watch or Amnesty. Have a read of just why people might not speak their true feelings.

 

The argument that "it is their country and their justice system etc etc" is a legitimate one but that does not mean that we should turn a blind eye to China's disgusting abuse of the rights of fellow human beings.

[imi]

Guys get a room other than this one. Our stance on Iraq and Afghanistan are not about human rights in China. If anything the Chinese take a significantly stronger stance to the perceived muslim problem on their borders, they just indiscriminately massacre them!!

 

My point being that we are in position to lecture them, lets sort our own mess first and get off our high horse, the UK has plenty of blood on its hands - IMO.

[imi]

Thats because Chinese Take-a-ways are run by Hong Kong nationals who have British passports and are not classed as Mainland Chinese and don't even speak the same language! as in Cantonese rather than Mandarin

 

[Paul]

Plain and simple = when in Rome do as the Romans i.e. 'break Chinese law suffer Chinese Justice' the end

 

And in the UK...........do as you please because the do-gooders will see that you don't get the punishment you deserve

 

As for sorting out our mess of a country first, I agree, but we need to be firmer with many issues and I fear that the same crowd that moan about the country would be up in arms should this happen

[AJI]

Their system is flawed because it convicted him in the first place without a proper trial.

 

In the Chinese system it was a proper trial.

It is not for the UK to tell the Chinese how to conduct their legal system.

Similarly it would not be for the Chinese to tell the UK how to run our legal system.

 

Then it was flawed again because when the mistrial was pointed out by appeals from the UK, they failed to rectify it!

 

The Chinese did not see their system as causing a mis-trial. So even though the UK voiced it as one, it meant nothing.

Then it comes back to my point of earlier, whereby the Chinese no longer have to jump through hoops over the say so from the UK government.

 

 

 

 

 

This thread has brought up a clear divide in opinion. But I do think that everyone has to respect the legal process within another country's borders, whether the individual views it as right or wrong.