Tourniquet Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 So, you believe that even if he (or anyone else) who has a confirmed mental illness commits a crime, they should suffer the consequences? Yes actually. If someone god forbid murdered someone in my family I want them hanged for it, not sat in a cushy padded cell at MY and others expense. If they're capable of doing these things they should be capable of taking the punishment - it just leaves another option for people to go for when they've done something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 What about the poor families that would have suffered if he had got this drug through? As said already it sends a clear message to others considering smuggling into that country so will no doubt save thousands more lives. Unfortunately, it's also sending the clear message that the Chinese government hasn't yet managed to get to a stage where its judicial system is open and accountable. I haven't seen anyone argue on here that the death penalty was inappropriate for the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Who cares bout his mental state The Chinese do. Their laws, in their country that he broke (as you said - etc etc) say that the mentally ill are to be treated, not punished. The issue is that those laws haven't been applied as they should have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Unfortunately, it's also sending the clear message that the Chinese government hasn't yet managed to get to a stage where its judicial system is open and accountable. I haven't seen anyone argue on here that the death penalty was inappropriate for the crime. Why, because they haven't reversed the decision? They listened to various politicians and others over the two years, I think the fact they carried out the execution doesn't mean they aren't open or accountable. The death penalty might seem extreme but look at the problems the States and we are having as a result of weak sentances, maybe we coud learn from the Chinese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 The Chinese do. Their laws, in their country that he broke (as you said - etc etc) say that the mentally ill are to be treated, not punished. The issue is that those laws haven't been applied as they should have been. What evidence is there that he was mental at the time of the crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Why, because they haven't reversed the decision? They listened to various politicians and others over the two years, I think the fact they carried out the execution doesn't mean they aren't open or accountable. No, not because they haven't reversed the decision - and I agree with your last sentence. It's more that they won't let anyone see what happens within their system, and it's not clear at all that he had any sort of independent assessment. It doesn't seem to be like here, where you might have expert opinion for and against, and then there's a verdict based on that. Even if you disagree with the verdict, at least you can see how it was arrived at. The death penalty might seem extreme but look at the problems the States and we are having as a result of weak sentances, maybe we coud learn from the Chinese? I've not seen anyone on here argue against the death penalty so far. However, as you raise the issue of the US and the UK: which one has by far the highest homicide rate? And which one has the death penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I think the higher homicide rate in the US might be connected to their gun laws and dare I say, their massive drug problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 What evidence is there that he was mental at the time of the crime? Yeah, I was arguing a separate point there with Mr. Angry. However, there's no strong evidence he was 'mental'. There is a claim that he was, which may or may not be complete bollocks. To me, that claim needs to be tested thoroughly, because a man's life is at stake, and it does matter whether he knew whether he was doing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I've not seen anyone on here argue against the death penalty so far. However, as you raise the issue of the US and the UK: which one has by far the highest homicide rate? And which one has the death penalty? I think its interesting that no one has argued against the sentence for the crime, something at least everyone appears to agree on US population approx 304m UK population approx 61m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 It's more that they won't let anyone see what happens within their system, and it's not clear at all that he had any sort of independent assessment. It doesn't seem to be like here, where you might have expert opinion for and against, and then there's a verdict based on that. Even if you disagree with the verdict, at least you can see how it was arrived at. sounds like our family court system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratty Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 The guy deserved it. nuff said.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I think its interesting that no one has argued against the sentence for the crime, something at least everyone appears to agree on Not necessarily. US population approx 304m UK population approx 61m Homicide rate per 100,000 (most recent): USA 5.4 UK 2.03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Homicide rate per 100,000 (most recent): USA 5.4 UK 2.03 Down to drugs mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Homicide rate per 100,000 (most recent): USA 5.4 UK 2.03 Down to drugs mate Netherlands 0.91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Have to say that I support China's decision to protect its citizens from the drug traffikers....and they have sent out a message in its clearest form as to how anyone will be treated if caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Oh they've done it? Great stuff. I'm sure the papers will no doubt run with it as an excuse to slate China again. Although I only visited as a lowly tourist and didn't experience the true China, I was pretty impressed by what I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Tannhauser I don't know where you get the time and energy from. You're arguing with embittered blood-thirsty narrow-minded right-wing xenophobes who get their education from the Sun, the Mail and the pub. Much as your crusade is noble, I'd give up if I were you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Tannhauser I don't know where you get the time and energy from. You're arguing with embittered blood-thirsty narrow-minded right-wing xenophobes who get their education from the Sun, the Mail and the pub. Much as your crusade is noble, I'd give up if I were you. And a Happy New Year to you too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Tannhauser I don't know where you get the time and energy from. You're arguing with embittered blood-thirsty narrow-minded right-wing xenophobes who get their education from the Sun, the Mail and the pub. Much as your crusade is noble, I'd give up if I were you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 How was that funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 tannhauser i don't know where you get the time and energy from. You're arguing with embittered blood-thirsty narrow-minded right-wing xenophobes who get their education from the sun, the mail and the pub. Much as your crusade is noble, i'd give up if i were you. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well I don't agree with the Chineese but I do agree with Chris' sentiment. Some one tell me what would happen if a Chineese guy was caught bringing heroin into the UK. He'd go to prison for life and we would never hear about it. The UK thinks... UK person and therefore innocent. It simply isn't true or right to thinkt hat Brit = right. Saying that, has anyone listened to the song he thought was going to make him a star. If (and its an IF) he did believe it, it is reminisant of Derek Bentley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 +1 LOL, only a matter of time before you jumped on this one mate ;) So we've all got to support drug smugglers now along with a long list of society's scum because 'something made them do it'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 Tannhauser I don't know where you get the time and energy from. You're arguing with embittered blood-thirsty narrow-minded right-wing xenophobes who get their education from the Sun, the Mail and the pub. Much as your crusade is noble, I'd give up if I were you. We still make up a large percentage of the voting public, it pays to try and change us, just imagine if we were left to run amok, unfettered by eloquent critique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 The UK thinks... UK person and therefore innocent. It simply isn't true or right to thinkt hat Brit = right. Is this what the UK thinks? Or what the media has you believe? BTW - You've got too many eee's in Chinese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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