Dnk Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Not much they could of done but getting out the car was stupid and keeping their foot on the brake was also stupid, they could of possibly got some control back if the wheels werent all locked up. I followed a guy onto my mothers estate a couple of days ago and he did exactly the same turning right downhill with the brakes locked up and slid straight on into the drive of the house on the corner and then into the house, i drove round it not touching the brakes no problem, perhaps im a driving god as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil-NA Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Foggy, your in Bolton arn't you mate? Want me to come tow you out with the 4x4. It is aweful round here, main roads are perfect, side streets are shite, my car is stuck in bromley X but i am going to try get her out today, its only been a week lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I'd leave it where it is, more crap freezing weather is on its way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 That video is halarious, what douche-bags, especially for even trying to abondon their car lol, who ever said they where better off out of the car is also a douche-bag.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffSupra Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 We are having a shit load of snow tonight in Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meko Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 That video is halarious, what douche-bags, especially for even trying to abondon their car lol, who ever said they where better off out of the car is also a douche-bag.......... well it says it smashed into a wall so it depends if they got hurt jumping out compared to the whiplash they'd probably get when it hit the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 in a situation like that do you claim off the council due to their lack of gritting the roads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy147 Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Foggy, your in Bolton arn't you mate? Want me to come tow you out with the 4x4. It is aweful round here, main roads are perfect, side streets are $#@!e, my car is stuck in bromley X but i am going to try get her out today, its only been a week lol Thank you very much for the offer mate but I finally managed to get it out of my street yesterday, just got someone to give the back end a good push and just took it easy. It's now parked at my gfs where the road there has no snow or ice so least I can get out and about in it. Heard it's going to be snowing again from wed, best not come down to heavy though!! I know one thing the car now needs a damn good clean can't stand seeing it dirty but no point doing it till the weather gets better really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meko Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 in a situation like that do you claim off the council due to their lack of gritting the roads? probably not because of this bit The couple were warned by neighbours not to venture out that day and they were the only people to attempt to drive on that road. There were numerous pedestrians around who could barely walk on the black ice so a car really stood no chance They'd probably reject any claim as they'd been warned not to go out. either that or it'd be classed as an act of God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 in a situation like that do you claim off the council due to their lack of gritting the roads? No, only if the Council were responsible for the road, and, you could prove that they had been negligent! Do you have summer tyres on your car for instance? In the vid, it's obviously a housing estate, many developers don't build the access roads to a standard that the council would find 'adoptable'. In which case all the owners of the estate have the legal obligation to 'maintain' the roads and paths. There seem to be an awful lot of folks who want the state to do everything for them, don't you think that you as an individual, have a responsibility to your own safety? How often do you get such weather in England, every year? Every 10 years? If you can't walk across a road, why would some foolish people think it would be safe to drive on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 In the vid, it's obviously a housing estate, many developers don't build the access roads to a standard that the council would find 'adoptable'. In which case all the owners of the estate have the legal obligation to 'maintain' the roads and paths. in the case of this video, yes it looks like a private state, however in the case of public roads - would the council be responsible. I ask the question as I got stranded in luton a week ago due to heavy snow, made worse due to the fact that the major roads had not been gritted. I would expect the state to atleast grit the public roads, wouldnt you think that was reasonable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meko Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 in the case of this video, yes it looks like a private state, however in the case of public roads - would the council be responsible. I ask the question as I got stranded in luton a week ago due to heavy snow, made worse due to the fact that the major roads had not been gritted. I would expect the state to atleast grit the public roads, wouldnt you think that was reasonable? On my local papers website there was a story about the ice and taffic... One of the responses seemed to be from somebody from the council which explains what they do.. peter mckenna,ribbleton preston 23/12/2009 18:09:38 We use rock salt, which while appearing gritty is not grit as it is often called. It works by being crushed into the road by traffic and dissolves in any moisture on the road surface to lower the freezing point. It will not tackle ice and snow effectively unless it is worked into the road by traffic. Research has shown that using a lot of salt to de-ice roads can cause environmental damage. We therefore aim to treat our roads with as little salt as possible, only as often as is necessary. Other treatments are more expensive and can also cause environmental damage so salt remains the best material to use. While we do everything possible to keep the roads ice free, it is important that you remember that even if it doesn't feel cold, fresh ice could be forming on the road. During the winter months road surfaces are often colder than the air. Salting in rain can be difficult as rain washes salt off the road. On some occasions salting will be delayed until heavy rain has stopped. Because of this some roads may be icy after rain, until salting is complete. Severe winter weather Extreme cold - the effectiveness of salt is reduced at temperatures below minus five degrees C. Below minus 10 degrees it doesn't work. Snow - up to 25mm of snow can usually be treated by salting and the action of traffic. Heaver snow falls and snow falls during periods of light traffic may need to be cleared by snow plough. All our salting vehicles can carry ploughs and roads will be cleared according to their priority. Freezing rain - this is when rain turns to ice as soon as it hits the ground, to form a sheet of ice. This is a rare and dangerous condition which is difficult to predict and is often extremely localised. Even continuous salting may not prevent ice forming, extreme care must be taken whilst driving in these conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=heattrak&tag=200820-20&index=blended&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I would expect the state to atleast grit the public roads, wouldnt you think that was reasonable? We live in very different places, the Council and the privately appointed company that maintains the Trunk roads have been working heroically to keep the roads clear. However that has been at the expense of the side streets, as there are only so many gritters and crews available. I think if this weather was a regular feature, the authorities would be better geared up for it, but it isn't, and they arent! A few years back the local council here had 6x6 gritting ploughs, now they have smallish 2wd 4 wheelers. Incidentally, gritting requires a reasonably frequent traffic flow to work effectively, which you wont get in a side street and ploughing isn't carried out in side streets due to the difficulties caused by on street parking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 We live in very different places, Agree with that. Funnily enough the day in question (17th Dec) the snow was forecasted and expected with over 90% certainty so shouldnt have come to anyones surprise. Must say that luton was caught with its pants down (certainly the council have to answer for that) - major traffic jams from 9pm - 1am - I did manage to get to london at 4am in the morning and despite the snow in london happy to say that the road were well gritted in london. moral of the story = not all councils are rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Crikey, a gritter has just been down our street. I take it all back Local Council, just two weeks after the first snowfall, you can't ask for much better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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