shima60 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 hope this isnt a repost but 2 new cars from toyota that just took my fancy The Lexus LFA 560bhp v10 monster supercar.. which i say is the new supra http://www.goo-net.com/tokyomotorshow2009/gallery/l01.html# and the FT-86 the new AE86 in my eyes how ace can we say this is going to be http://www.goo-net.com/tokyomotorshow2009/gallery/t01.html# if its a repost feel free to close but i just couldnt keep my pants dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratty Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I dont like the back-end of the FT-86. Love the look from the front though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Except the first one is a Lexus, and the second is arguably a Subaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 theyle never mach the glory years of the corrola, mr2, celica and supra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco79 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Toyota owns lexus tho so I'm sure they have let's say a good 'influence' on the LFA's design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Only reposted on a daily basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ian C Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 And the LFA is a washout, a damp squib. Surpassed in all areas by the GTR they decided to sulk and say "ah yeah well it's actually a fashion statement, £350k please" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 And the LFA is a washout, a damp squib. Surpassed in all areas by the GTR they decided to sulk and say "ah yeah well it's actually a fashion statement, £350k please" Is this almost second time around ? Supra launch was delayed after the R32 came out, right ?? I could be wrong.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Is this almost second time around ? Supra launch was delayed after the R32 came out, right ?? I could be wrong.... It was the 300ZX. But they delayed the LFA once to retub it in carbon fibre and now it's just an embarassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I quite like the FT-86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 And the LFA is a washout, a damp squib. Surpassed in all areas by the GTR they decided to sulk and say "ah yeah well it's actually a fashion statement, £350k please" Any reasoning behind these feelings? Not being argumentative, just I've not read a bad word about it (besides the price), never seen it as being produced as direct competition to the R35, and don't see it being surpassed by the R35 in all areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Any reasoning behind these feelings? Not being argumentative, just I've not read a bad word about it (besides the price), never seen it as being produced as direct competition to the R35, and don't see it being surpassed by the R35 in all areas? Well I would have liked it to be the successor, in spirit if not in name, to the Supra - as would we all. When the first images of the LFA came out I was a supporter of how it looked whereas others thought it ugly. But time dragged on and on, I saw a protoype about 2 years ago at the London motor show and it still looked the same then. Next to it was the new GTR in cutaway, and in the Nissan hospitality suite was a shiny white GTR for people to sit in and dribble over. A friend of mine was on the waiting list which is why I was there and got to sit in it. It was an impressive beast. So, two years later, the GTR is out and about on the roads, having gone from CAD package to showroom, and the LFA was still nowhere. And the GTR turns out to be turbocharged nirvana with phenomenal performance, a real technological showcase, and has massive presence on the road. And it's half the price of cars that it trounces. Out wobbles a rather anodyne version of the concept LFA. Its selling point is a really revvy NA engine, which in itself is a good thing. It's a capable rear wheel drive car, no doubt, and a hoot to drive BUT, it would always be compared to the GTR. And that knocks it into a cocked hat if it was at the same price point. If the LFA came out at 40k it'd be very competitive but the carbon shell and bonkers engine made of unobtanium and unicorn horns makes that price point impossible. So instead of losing face to the behemoth GTR, they ramp the price up to a bonkers 350k and only make 500, to try and make it super-exclusive and aspirational But it isn't, really, as you can get better cars and better makes for less money, and anything at the same money kicks it's arse sideways (Zonda, anyone?) So it's depressing. Toyota wanted practical money makers, Lexus didn't put much oomph behind it, it all got torpedo'd internally and by the market, and our Supra replacement is a faberge egg that only drug dealers and rappers will buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The FT-86 however is a good thing, like a grown-up MX5 option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Well .... it Fair doos, maybe the fact it isn't the Supras successor has tarnished your views on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 According to the lap times, the LFA laps the ring quicker, so not quite all areas, but for the price most certainly a better car bang for buck... but you can say that against a Ferrari or Lambo, but people always ignore that argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The LFA looks very Audi/Lambo-ish, and the FT-86 looks S2000 at the front and new Civic at the back. Just an observation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I'd have an LFA over a GTR every single day of the week. It's a far superior car. I've spent a long time talking about both cars with people who have driven both, on track and road, in anger and I can tell you not one of them will favour the GTR. The FT-86 should be an offering from Toyota with RWD and Subaru with 4WD (for rallying, presumably). There are rumours now that the Toyota version won't sport a Boxer engine after all, but nothing solid from Japan yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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