benkei Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Why are they afraid of TPUC? Just read this article and the links... The media and their reports seem to be condeming the site and the people handing out information on the vaccine, when all they are doing is trying to educate people and open their eyes. The part that gets me is that GPs are getting bonuses per paitent they put forward for the vaccine. Shouldn't people's health be the deciding factor, not money? Any why are so many people dying from the vaccine? I thought it had been thoroughly tested? I don't think the actual virus killed as many people as the vaccine?! Something doesm't seem right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S44M KT Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I didnt realise people were dying from the vaccine? I was meant to have this last week but missed my appointment and havent got around to arranging another one. Apparently im high risk as i have very bad asthma, but ive already had swine flu so surely im not that likely to get it again? And i do agree with you, the public's health should be more important than any bonus a GP receives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexKeith Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 The last time swine flu came around more people died from the vaccine then the flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 Apparently the doctors don't want the vaccines because they know what's in them and how dangerous they are! Swine Flu Vaccine - What's In It? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 gp's get paid for the admin and time involved in organising the vaccination of all of their patients on their books... you have just wound my other half right up matey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 and everyone can make their own choice to have it or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 you have just wound my other half right up matey.... She must get wound up easily then... You must be the master of walking on egg shells! and everyone can make their own choice to have it or not... I fully agree, everyone can make their own choice. But isn't it better to know the whole story and make an informed descision, rather than just going along with it because you were told to and don't know any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 i agree, the info is out there for us.... put it this way im going for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 While I can't help but express some personal scepticism as to the need for all the media hype about swine flu, that is primarily in hindsight when comparing swine flu deaths with the average deaths caused by "common" influenza. In purely scientific terms it had the *potential* to be a very dangerous virus - highly contagious, and (probably) lethal - which meant that early detection and quarantine was essential until an effective vaccine was produced. There are conflicting views on vaccination in the medical fraternity, and there are always side-effects (with, regrettably, occasional "friendly fire" deaths) - but this is weighed against the overall good: will we save MORE lives by vaccinating against an epidemic/pandemic than we kill by adverse reactions. Of course, that answer has to be "yes". But, unfortunately, lives *saved* are not able to be counted effectively, which means less successful political public relations propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 While I agree with you about the reason for vaccines, and how they have helped us overcome illness in the past, the illnesses we had in the past were not man-made like the swine flu we're hearing so much about. It's been stated my many medical professionals that it is impossible in nature for pig flu, bird flu and human flu to combine, and the only way for this to happen is in a bio-lab, like was said in the video I posted above. I would really like to belive that this vaccine is tried and tested and is for our benefit, but with all the under-handed and 'behind closed doors' opperations the Governemnt have with their Common Purpose agenda, I feel that I can no longer trust anything they say or do. Their interest is not us, but only money and power. We, it seems, are just cattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Be careful with your liberal usage of generalities there - you end up sounding like a conspiracy theorist! While I have always been a cynic, and never fully believe anything I hear or read in media unless it has waterproof reliability and accuracy, the best way to convince an educated (and/or hopefully intelligent) audience is by logical, irrefutable, scientific evidence. I have yet to see any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 you end up sounding like a conspiracy theorist! It's funny that. Anyone who questions the Government's intents is instantly discredited and made out to be some loon with a 'tin-foil hat', then brushed off and ignored. An excellent way to convince the masses that nothing sinister is going on, and to think otherwise you must be mentally ill... But isn't that what it is? A consipacy? It's SUPPOSED to be a secret! You're not supposed to know what's going on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 It's funny that. Anyone who questions the Government's intents is instantly discredited and made out to be some loon with a 'tin-foil hat', then brushed off and ignored. An excellent way to convince the masses that nothing sinister is going on, and to think otherwise you must be mentally ill... But isn't that what it is? A consipacy? It's SUPPOSED to be a secret! You're not supposed to know what's going on! No, plenty of people question decisions made by our governments - that is called public debate. Simply disagreeing publicly is one of the freedoms of democracy. However, that is called *opinion* - as in, questioning intent without compelling evidence to support your claims. The onus is not on the legally elected body to refute your assertions (i.e. unproven claims) but on you to prove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 wow, a whole site for pedants and busy bodies. I'm not going to look at the video as it looks like its a bloke sitting on a park bench, which is hardly the best place to be holding a sensible and reasoned discussion about swine flu. Have you ever heard of evolution and mutation? Funnily enough things do mutate and become something different. It happened even before normal people mutated in to scientists. I don't trust the government and their health advisors at all, but I do trust GPs as it is their job to know what is safe and they aren't all in it for the money or glory. There will always be those that believe the government is out to kill them in some shape or form. It is my hope that stupidity dies out with them when they decide the only safe place is under the stairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Apparently the doctors don't want the vaccines because they know what's in them and how dangerous they are! Swine Flu Vaccine - What's In It? Crap - my doctor had the swine flu jab with no qualms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 My Wife asked a Nurse about it as she is pregnant and therefor is meant to have the jag. Nurse said it can be dangerous and that GP's are being paid £5 per patient to push it on. Doesn't sound like a lot but I'm guessing it adds up. I convinced her not to go for the jag, I simply don't trust it. I've heard of people getting the jag and feeling worse than they did with the swine flu. My Wife asked another Nurse if there was any risk in having the jag, she said there can be complications and risks with anything. Frightened her straight away, of course it's true but it's not often said so bluntly. Not sure how much truth there is in it but I read that it is the tamiflu injections that are being given? It is alleged that there was a lot of them kicking about the shelves about to run out of date so it made economic sense to try and push them on for the swine flu. Saying that, it was in the Sun lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesC Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 This might have been caused by your regular flu jab: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I've heard of people getting the jag and feeling worse than they did with the swine flu. If they had the swine flu why would they get vaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 If they had the swine flu why would they get vaccinated? I'm Scott M, not Scott MD The flu jab is every few years is it not? Found the thread where Michel got some medication for swine flu. Think it is the jab in tablet form IIRC. He felt worse.... http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=193166&highlight=swine+flu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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