Abz Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Right, went to leicester this morning to check hopefully the last wedding venue. Left at 9am this morning from London, jumping onto the A406 (dual carriage way) to head to Leicester. Normally traffic on a Saturday morning is not so bad. Anyway on the A406 I kept getting caught behind people who were in the right hand side lane doing 50mph (nothing wrong with that it is the speed limit). Now I hate people who bumper me so I don't like to do it myself... so I wait with a decent but intruding amount of space to let the person know I am behind them (Had HID's on as well). A few times I had to then undercut, which I know is illegal but after waiting it seems these people are oblivious to their surroundings. On the motorway I tend to like to cruise along at 70 - 80mph, again the whole journey I kept getting caught behind people who would keep hogging the right lane. I know this is illegal but at one point going upwards of the M1, I went into the 1st left lane & went past (missus counted) 16 cars at a steady speed of 80mph...it seemed like you HAD to be on the right hand side lane! Lane management is hideous to say the least! Lost the plot though on the way back to London, an Astra was hogging the right lane at around 75mph. No traffic in left lane, I waited patiently...waited, waited... then thought this idiot must be asleep. Indicated left & went into the left lane, this guy then just moves into the left lane in front of me... I had to brake, then I indicated left & just booted till I had a grin on my face again It made my blood boil, the amount of people not using the motorway lanes properly! Anyone else agree that we should have motorway lessons, licenses? Or even some sort of understanding of how the lanes work? Or this is just weekend drivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 We should have laws rather than guidelines for the use of lanes, or abolish the no undertaking law. Also, our motorways would improve with a separate license like Germany has, but try making the government understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 Sorry for my rant but normally does not get to me, but today was supposed to be a quick visit, but it wasn't. I am going out in a bit but I feel knackered, how am I going to dance the night away with some fit chicks Totally agree with you Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Restorer Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 My understanding from browsing the Plod\Law section on PH is that you shouldn't move left solely for the reason of undertaking, but if your already in the left lane then as long as it is safe you can carry on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I spend the majority of my day driving and this happens all the time all over the place no matter where you go in the uk. I now do what i think havard said ages back on here and that was - Overtake them if they sit in middle lane then move to inside lane (lane 1) then slow down and let them pass you and overtake again and see how many times it takes for them to realise. Only thing that gets me is that they are never in the wrong and act as you have just killed their dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Abz, if there were such a thing as a Motorway test I'm sorry to say you would have FAILED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I know exactly how you feel, I go from Cheltenham to Bristol for work, and I'll always encounter a load of drivers with shocking lane discipline. Admittedly I may usually be travelling above certain numbers on a dial in the car, but I still get annoyed when I'm in lane 3 and pass someone just dithering along alone in lane 2. From my observations the drivers do tend to be (Don't flame me for this ladies! I'm going on what I've seen!) either female, or elderly (Of both sexes)... The elderly I put down (No pun intended) to the stigma of it being 'slow lane','middle lane', and 'fast lane', which of course is wrong... And then when there's a bit of rain in the sky, it seems if you need your wipers on you can disregard anyone behind you and just keep looking forward! Argh!... And, my understanding of the 'undertaking law', and maybe some of our warranted friends on here can clarify, is that it isn't illegal, as long as it's done carefully (Not swooping across all the lanes to undertake someone, and getting the jump on the person you were tailgating in lane 3 for example), however, you can be done for careless driving, but that's at the officers discretion?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I spend the majority of my day driving and this happens all the time all over the place no matter where you go in the uk. I now do what i think havard said ages back on here and that was - Overtake them if they sit in middle lane then move to inside lane (lane 1) then slow down and let them pass you and overtake again and see how many times it takes for them to realise. Only thing that gets me is that they are never in the wrong and act as you have just killed their dog. Why go to all that trouble? They won't learn anything, you'll be late or worse hit by some muppet that didn't see you. TBH, it winds the fook up out of me when people lane hog but I'm trying to calm down and be the bigger person. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Why go to all that trouble? They won't learn anything, you'll be late or worse hit by some muppet that didn't see you. TBH, it winds the fook up out of me when people lane hog but I'm trying to calm down and be the bigger person. LOL. Its passes the time when i'm on the road alot, plus i get great satisfaction from winding retards up who drive. And i should be fine as i'm doing nothing wrong so if i'm hit its not my fault but is usually something i try to avoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 Abz, if there were such a thing as a Motorway test I'm sorry to say you would have FAILED. Can I least know what I failed on Sir? You are right I would have failed, but I believe I follow simple rules which it seems that 70% of Joe Public FAIL. * Once you have overtaken someone, pull back into the left lane. * Plan your lane change well ahead, watch traffic, predict simple behavior. * Indicate! I could go on but I am sure you are all able drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 We should have laws rather than guidelines for the use of lanes, or abolish the no undertaking law. Also, our motorways would improve with a separate license like Germany has, but try making the government understand that. Too right, there's far too many idiots out there, who join the motorway, then immediately move to the outside lane. A separate motorway license is a great idea. My understanding from browsing the Plod\Law section on PH is that you shouldn't move left solely for the reason of undertaking, but if your already in the left lane then as long as it is safe you can carry on... Can you imagine trying to explain that to an officer of the law? They're never wrong, especially the traffic ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I think motorway driving should be included in the driving test. However, I think poor lane discipline is simply another bad habit that people pick up over time, a bit like not bothering to indicate. Hence I think there should be a compulsory re-test every x (10?) years to pull people back up to standard, albeit temporarily in many cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 * Indicate! I could go on but I am sure you are all able drivers. I believe you should only indicate when pulling into right hand lane. You shouldn't indicate when pulling back into left hand lane as that is the lane you should be in if there is room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I believe you should only indicate when pulling into right hand lane. You shouldn't indicate when pulling back into left hand lane as that is the lane you should be in if there is room. Really? I believe you ought to. Does anyone know about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I believe you should only indicate when pulling into right hand lane. You shouldn't indicate when pulling back into left hand lane as that is the lane you should be in if there is room. Really? I believe you ought to. Does anyone know about this? No requirement. Nothing to stop you doing it if you think it helps other drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Mac Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Really? I believe you ought to. Does anyone know about this? Changing lane, whether to the right or left is still changing lane and should be accompanied by an indication to warn other road users that you are intending to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 No requirement. Nothing to stop you doing it if you think it helps other drivers. Righto... Changing lane, whether to the right or left is still changing lane and should be accompanied by an indication to warn other road users that you are intending to do so. Wait a minute! OK, looks like we need a poll - but I can't be arsed Who actually knows their highway code regarding this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Righto... Wait a minute! OK, looks like we need a poll - but I can't be arsed Who actually knows their highway code regarding this? I did google but there is a lot of conflicting statements. My friend is a driving instructor and said this was covered in her training, she was very clear that you shouldn't indicate when moving left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I did google but there is a lot of conflicting statements. My friend is a driving instructor and said this was covered in her training, she was very clear that you shouldn't indicate when moving left. Ok. Thing is, if you move from the inside to middle lane, or middle to outside - and you do your over-take, but this actually takes one or two minutes as there are a few cars to pass, then surely to go back to your original lane without indicating may seem out of the blue to the final driver that you have passed. He/she did not know you were originally behind them, granted, some hundreds of metres back etc. To pull back in would seem ungentlemanly, sloppy and possible a bit dangerous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 The really dangerous situation comes when moving from middle to outside lane to overtake, then once you are past the car, when you move back into the middle lane; if a car which is half a length behind you in the inside lane is moving out to the middle lane at the same time. ie. two of you are trying to move into the same place in the middle lane at the same time. I've seen more than one accident occur like this (well - two - to be precise). That is why I always indicate when moving back into the middle lane from the outside lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I undertake all the time these days. I've lost all my patience. I always give them a bit of time to move over, then it's indicator on and see you later mate. I have no time for numpties sailing along in a world of their own. In response to the OP, of course people should learn to drive on motorways. I too am in agreement with a compulsory 10 year re-test. I can't think of any reason why not??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Mirror - Signal - Manoeuvre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 In case anyone is unsure of the rules of the road, here they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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