Chris Wilson Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Having been in bed much of the week with the old swine flu I have watched quite a bit of TV, which is unusual for me. The story of the vacuous "wanna be celebrity" couple Michaele and Tareq Salahi waltzing into the White House party uninvited and then the bimbo having her photo taken with vice president Joe Biden cheered me up no end. Of course, they were no threat, X Rays ascertained they had no weapons on them upon entry! Right, no worries then. What do the Yanks eat with, rubber chop sticks? James Bond would have built a small commando kit from a White House table setting.... Better even than the UK hacker who fiddled with US defence files from his bedroom PC. However, am I alone in thinking he SHOULD face trial in the US , it's not as if he's got to face some Liberian lynch mob, these are supposed to be our allies, for God's sake, with reciprocal extradition treaties, and he can't be THAT mentally unstable if he's hacked the US Government....? Mental instability, race, culture and background are now surely de facto defence pleas for any self respecting legal aid rip off lawyer. We've already wound the Yanks up over the Libyan bomber fiasco... Anyway, to me the story was nearly as good as my last favourite "experts with red faces" news item, the pensioners who faked art masterpieces in their garden shed and had art critiques and experts alike drooling and writing out cheques that would wipe out all our debts with gay abandon. Don't you just love the little man cocking a snook at so called experts and "super powers"? I can't bear TV for much longer though, so I am delving into a couple of unread books until I have shaken off this lurgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 You are really ill ,,,,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I hadn't heard about the first one. Sounds like they are playing it down just a tad, of course damage could have been done if someone had the drive to do so. As for the guy who is getting done over in the US. It isn't that he is mentally unstable, he has Aspergers syndrome. I work with a guy who has it, he is clinically sane but his behaviour and train of thinking is very strange. Have a read up on the condition, they tend to be very clever and very very focused. I really do feel sorry for the guy, the only reason the US is pushing so hard is because they are embarassed and want to make an example of the guy. It's like the rainman winning at cards, he is just doing what his brain allows him to do. The guy meant no harm, he just wanted to know if the aliens had landed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6664262/The-brazen-art-of-gatecrashing-a-party-at-the-White-House.html I wonder if I have Aspergers... ? Just send him over, they aren't going to shoot him, and surely they can stop him topping himself for a few weeks? They RIGHTLY feel the need to make an example of him, or every terrorist in the world will claim this illness, or something akin Looking for proof of aliens indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meko Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Part of the problem with the hacker, according to his mum, is that the US dish out stupid sentances and he'll probably get 60 years or something daft. She was on GMTV this morning saying about a girl who made some video about how to steal a car, she got arrested and given 25 years for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 They trust us to sentence US Nationals, it has to be reciprocal or the whole premise of extradition treaties is pointless. To say we don't trust them to try and sentence him fairly is grossly insulting, and that's from someone who has made it almost a lifetime's work insulting Yanks They are just as capable of assessing the needs of someone with mental health problems as our own "experts", and therefore making allowances for them, hell, they've even voted one or two to the highest levels in the past... His mum is hardly unbiased now, is she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6664262/The-brazen-art-of-gatecrashing-a-party-at-the-White-House.html I wonder if I have Aspergers... ? Just send him over, they aren't going to shoot him, and surely they can stop him topping himself for a few weeks? They RIGHTLY feel the need to make an example of him, or every terrorist in the world will claim this illness, or something akin Looking for proof of aliens indeed! You can't really fake autism though and you can certainly prove it. The guy didn't claim to have Aspergers after the incident, he was born with it. He was looking for proof of aliens, seriously. He wanted to know if they had landed in the 60's or not and thought the government would know about it. I guess you would need to meet someone with narrow spectrum autism to understand. I'm in the fortunate position of knowing a few, all with varying difficulties. Only one has Aspergers though, exactly the same as this guy. Most people reckon he is tuned to the moon, I have a bit more tolerance as I am interested in this type of condition and take the time to try and understand it from a completely outside point of view. The guy will get the book thrown at him, it's a shame for him and his family. Noone got hurt, no harm was done (although they claim 1000's of damages were caused, in actual fact the new security is what cost the money). In my opinion the guy did them a favour by showing them the flaws in their system while NOT trying to do any damage. If, like you say, a terrorist had got that far I doubt it would have been so uneventful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 They trust us to sentence US Nationals, it has to be reciprocal or the whole premise of extradition treaties is pointless... Yeah, "reciprocal". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5879267/Former-minister-Lord-Jones-criticises-UKs-lopsided-extradition-arrangements-with-US.html The Extradition Act 2003 requires the US only to show "reasonable suspicion" that the intended subject committed a crime before they can be removed from Britain, a lower threshold than British authorities must show in order to bring an American to trial. What do you think would happen if the British Government wanted to extradite a US citizen in the same fashion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 They should employ the bloke, not lock him up IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 They should employ the bloke, not lock him up IMO! Gates did that many moons ago. Famous story, quite funny too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I'm intrigued by the couple who gatecrashed the do at the White House. They seem to be better known in the US than they are here (hardly surprising), but I can't work out why they are well know. As far as I've read in the papers (so it's probably half-truths and spin anyway), they are "budding" reality TV stars. To me, that means they haven't actually made it onto a reality TV show yet, but are trying hard to do so. Strange. A close friend of mine has Aspergers Syndrome, so I'm probably biased towards the UK "hacker" from the outset. As Scott said, they can be very clever people, but in different ways to others. In my experience they are good at detailed, logical work, and things that follow well-defined rules. They can have excellent memory recall. My friend can recall seemingly inocuous conversations that occurred months or years ago. God knows how many he's got stored in his brain. They are not so good (in my experience) at things to do with emotions and the subtilties that go with them. I don't know if Rainman was about a character who had Aspergers or some other form of autism, but it seems fairly accurate. Was he clever? Undoubtedly, but in that film Raymond had painfully obvious personality flaws. Chris, you *might* have Aspergers more than you think. It is thought to be a spectrum condition, so lots of people have it in mild forms. For those people it just manifests in liking certain types of activity over others, but it doesn't impinge on their day-to-day living or how they integrate with society. They should employ the bloke, not lock him up IMO! Not a bad idea! I agree with Scott about the US having a lucky escape because it was he who did the hacking and not someone with genuine ill-intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Like 90% of the population I believe he will not get a fair sentence. Chances are he will get locked up in Guantanamo Bay, then some agent will cut off his nails & torture him & threaten to kill his family until he admits that he helped Bin Laden mastermind 9/11. I mean he hacked into the Pentagon using dial up! I am surprised this guy had even that much patience! The US just need to show they are tough, does not matter if this guy is innocent or not, if they "think" his guilty, then his guilty simples. I think he will get 15 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 You can't really fake autism though and you can certainly prove it. The guy didn't claim to have Aspergers after the incident, he was born with it. He was looking for proof of aliens, seriously. He wanted to know if they had landed in the 60's or not and thought the government would know about it. I guess you would need to meet someone with narrow spectrum autism to understand. I'm in the fortunate position of knowing a few, all with varying difficulties. Only one has Aspergers though, exactly the same as this guy. Most people reckon he is tuned to the moon, I have a bit more tolerance as I am interested in this type of condition and take the time to try and understand it from a completely outside point of view. The guy will get the book thrown at him, it's a shame for him and his family. Noone got hurt, no harm was done (although they claim 1000's of damages were caused, in actual fact the new security is what cost the money). In my opinion the guy did them a favour by showing them the flaws in their system while NOT trying to do any damage. If, like you say, a terrorist had got that far I doubt it would have been so uneventful. Couldn't agree more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 that couple, fair play, should be on balls of steel lol. And as for Gary mckinnon, the hacker. He has broken us law, but we dont ship all criminals out of our borders, they are only making an example of him, because of what he say's he found on their systems, The ''supposed'' most interesting of which was a payroll of army officers, half of who'm were ''NON terestrial'' Quite what that means who knows??? And other ufo stuff. _fNsah-0vpY And to think with their defense budgets, he gained access using the microsoft backdoor, remote access. All the gear no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Watching the vid, isnt he just a script kiddie who got caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 They should employ the bloke, not lock him up IMO! So it can happen on some occasions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8380265.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 There is a better one than that. A hacker got B Gates bank details through hacking into the M$ systems (not sure of the exact details). He sent him a bunch of flowers from himself etc etc. Ended up getting a job at M$ to fault find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 They should employ the bloke, not lock him up IMO! Exactly! If he can hack them from his bedroom, then he is obviously very talented and could help stregthen their systems invaluably to prevent this happening again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Exactly! If he can hack them from his bedroom, then he is obviously very talented and could help stregthen their systems invaluably to prevent this happening again. Yep, working as what's known as a "White Hat Hacker". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 {snip}with reciprocal extradition treaties{snip} Which we don't have. Our extradition treaty with the US is very one sided. Not a surprise really given the way the Septics walk over every other country, ally or not. (As you may gather, I'm not a great fan of the great "American way".) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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