scotty supra Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Im having some major issues after loosing my wheel nut key. As you can see the holes that the wheel nuts sit in is quite small and i have been told the hole is too small to use the wheel nut removal tool that you can get in halfords:taped: They are mcgard nut so are supposed to be one of the best. Also as you can see the fronts sit very deep into the wheel its self which makes it even worse! So i cant chenge my discs or suspension and cant get the wheels off to have them referbed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Drill then easy out would be your best option IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty supra Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Easy out? I thought about drilling but what about the issue of the studs. If you drill too far ill damage the studs on the that the wheel nuts bolt to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 An easy out is a left handed thread tap type tool. It's an engineering tool for doing just this sort of thing. Not sure how easy it will be with this design of locking nut. Best thing to do would be to drill out all of the pattern leaving enough of the wall thickness for a grip. Center drill, then pilot drill then double drill, one under the pattern size and one slightly over. Then use the easy out to cut down the bore you have created. Once it bottoms out it will crack loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eIzpA3YfL._SL500_AA280_.jpg Those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty supra Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 I see! ill see what i can do. Thanks mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdzC Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Do you have a reference number for your locking nuts? I was under the impression that if you had the reference then McGard can get a replacement key for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 If it will fail, either 21 or 22 size socket will do, just hammer it onto the security nut and unscrew it. Sometimes socket can split, but I took off quite a few locking nuts till now and never had a problem PS. No, i do not nick wheels, just some guys coming to my garage wants pads changed etc. but lost key ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 If it will fail, either 21 or 22 size socket will do, just hammer it onto the security nut and unscrew it. Sometimes socket can split, but I took off quite a few locking nuts till now and never had a problem PS. No, i do not nick wheels, just some guys coming to my garage wants pads changed etc. but lost key ... i have to remove atleast one loking set a week , thats the way i do it, never fails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 These ones are of the internal location variety though. Won't work with these ones. I used that method on my old ones and it worked a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 If you get stuck we've got a master set for locking wheel nuts at my place, there toyota ones but some look very similiar to that! Worth a try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 If you cannot get a replacement key you can try finding a hex socket (allen key socket on 1/2 inch or 3/4 inch drive) which is slightly too big for the star like configuration of your locking nut, then angle grind/file the allen key part into the pattern of your locking wheel nut. A bit labour intensive I know but I've done it before. Also you do a good enough job and it works you can keep your locking wheel nuts and chuck the modded socket into your glove compartment for future use. Halfrauds or a good motor outlet should be able to sell these hex/sockets individually, just make sure you get one bigger than the internal dimensions of your locking nut. You will have to try and drill out the centre mass of the locking nut to allow the hex socket in and get a good purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Oh and nice rims btw, or they will be once you get them off and refurbed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 If you cannot get a replacement key you can try finding a hex socket (allen key socket on 1/2 inch or 3/4 inch drive) which is slightly too big for the star like configuration of your locking nut, then angle grind/file the allen key part into the pattern of your locking wheel nut. A bit labour intensive I know but I've done it before. Also you do a good enough job and it works you can keep your locking wheel nuts and chuck the modded socket into your glove compartment for future use. Halfrauds or a good motor outlet should be able to sell these hex/sockets individually, just make sure you get one bigger than the internal dimensions of your locking nut. You will have to try and drill out the centre mass of the locking nut to allow the hex socket in and get a good purchase. The picture is throwing you as well. It isn't a torx pattern. Look at the 2nd pic closely. It's a routed profile, the center and outside are both solid. No amount of grinding would get you there. If it was simply a torx key the job would be easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racman Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 you got pm mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty supra Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 The prob i have is the hole in which the nut sits is very small, i dont think i can get any bigger then a 20" in there. Looks like the only way is to try and drill a hole and use an easy out. Also on the fron the bolt sits right deep inside the hole. And yes they are solid. If they were not on the car when i bought them i would have the ref no. As they are only printed on the box and the key its self im screwed! Cheers mate ill put some pics up once referbed. Im replacing the lips and centre caps (costing me £350) and referbing the wheels in white (about £200) so should look pukka! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Looking again, my method wouldn't work cheers Scott M However done a quick browse and maybe it would be worth looking at this http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?item=1046&cat=520 Don't know if it would work on your type of locking nut but maybe give them an email with a pic of your nut, the kit is a little pricey but if it does what it says on the tin I'm sure you could sell it on or rent it out to other people with the same issue. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Send a photo of the locking nut plus copies of your driving licence and V5 to McGuard like this bloke did. http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=82598 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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