Mariusz Pudzianowski MMA Debut!

[jamesmark]

Oh and here is a working link to that fight on youtube.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeGvPjzGJ4

[Scott]

Lol Bas Rutten and respect in the same sentence.

 

I do respect Fedor he has not got 1 loss to his name for nothing (and if people think it was not a loss, they are retarded. Winning is winning in any sport).

 

For me Fedor record is in past tense, sure he has beaten a lot of top guys years ago. But what is he doing now???? He is hiding behind Strikefarce and facing a by far a weaker heavyweight devision that what the UFC has.

 

I admit it, I am a Brock fan, hated him in WWE. But I like the underdogs and hopefully if he comes back that will be it. He has shown how well a fighter can improve in such a short space of time i.e. Mir fight one to Mir part 2.

 

I'm the same as yourself in that I like the underdog. I didn't feel that Lesnar got a fair crack at the whip in his first couple of fights. Noone took him seriously. I think now most people are paying attention and seeing that he is the real deal. He was always a powerhouse, but not just a powerhouse anymore. His respect for the art is admirable and his honesty in general is something I always admire.

 

He calls it like he see's it. His comment about the coors will always put a smile on my face.

 

IMO the game has moved on, the big guys are no longer the big guys. Lesnar has set the bar for the size of heavyweight required to compete now. There are very few guys that can compete with someone that size who knows what they are doing. I'm hoping Fedor comes to the UFC, also Mariusz. If it happens and goes according to plan, the game will have well and truely moved on.

[The Raven]

Again, where are you reading this? I'm still none the wiser as to the source.

 

I know that Dana isn't commenting on it but everything I read says its an intestine problem and that there is a possibility he may not recover. I always read into comments like that as sales though.

 

From The Observer.

 

 

QUOTE

Brock Lesnar is in extremely bad shape and it will be some time as to when he will fight again.

 

Lesnar, 32, went to Canada last week to try to get some rest, collapsed, and was rushed to the hospital. He has mono and also something else that he has requested confidentiality with the UFC as to what it is. Dana White said tonight that he promised Lesnar to keep the disease private, and said he doesn't have cancer or AIDS. It is, however, extremely serious and there are at least two things wrong and there may be more.

 

Dana White is heading to Minnesota and will be working to get Lesnar to the Mayo Clinic or equivalent medical facility for treatment.

[Scott]

From The Observer.

 

 

QUOTE

Brock Lesnar is in extremely bad shape and it will be some time as to when he will fight again.

 

Lesnar, 32, went to Canada last week to try to get some rest, collapsed, and was rushed to the hospital. He has mono and also something else that he has requested confidentiality with the UFC as to what it is. Dana White said tonight that he promised Lesnar to keep the disease private, and said he doesn't have cancer or AIDS. It is, however, extremely serious and there are at least two things wrong and there may be more.

 

Dana White is heading to Minnesota and will be working to get Lesnar to the Mayo Clinic or equivalent medical facility for treatment.

 

Yup, thats what I read. Doesn't say he will never fight again or that he has Hep c.

 

It says, as I already said, that he is out for a while and in a serious condition. Again, everything I have read said that it's something to do with this intestine.

[Abz]

You guys might disagree with me but I don't think Mariusz Pudzianowski will be that good. I am not a big fan of UFC but do like MMA fighting, though think the UFC has gone a bit commercial and can see it soon turning to WWE with some drama queens. It was better when it was not advertised so much and only people into the sport were watching.

 

I watched the video of Mariusz Pudzianowski & he does have power but if you see the video a few times you will see he does not really make full contact, the other fella is just running off scared. Mariusz seems to be very flat on his feet this will be no good against a decent fighter.

 

Think people need to realise that although his big & powerful it is not what is needed to win a fight, skill and quick reactions is. If he can lose some weight & get some proper training under his belt then he might do well. We have to remember he has been building his body to just lift weight, muscles are different in MMA.

 

Personally I think Tony Jaa would kick his ass

[Scott]

UFC is available on cable, sky etc. I haven't seen anything else available other than on crappy streams. If everything else was more commerical I would watch it also.

 

FWIW I thought the bouts last night were fantastic. I really enjoyed them and the main event was fantastic. Is there 155lb fighter anywhere in the world that can take on BJ Penn? IMO the UFC is the top of the tree. To use an American euthanism people who talk down about the UFC are just haters. They generally have the best fighters in the world signed up, other than the odd 1 or 2.

 

In that way, yes the UFC is like the WWE. It is the most popular MMA show and it has the best fighters the same as the WWE is the best wrestling entertainment show and has the most popular athlete/actors.

 

As has already been said, we have seen nothing of Mariusz. Absolutely noone can say what he is capable of from watching that fight. If you had a tick sheet for what he brings to the ring the only thing you can tick off for definite is strength. Is he fearless? I wouldn't say so, he was a bit apprehensive before the fight. Rightly so I guess as it was his first main fight. The fight showed absolutely nothing, he won't want to jump in the deep end with a seasoned fighter right away though. I blame noone for the turnout of this fight, it was just an exercise. Nothing more nothing less.

[tony tt]

UFC is available on cable, sky etc. I haven't seen anything else available other than on crappy streams. If everything else was more commerical I would watch it also.

 

FWIW I thought the bouts last night were fantastic. I really enjoyed them and the main event was fantastic. Is there 155lb fighter anywhere in the world that can take on BJ Penn? IMO the UFC is the top of the tree. To use an American euthanism people who talk down about the UFC are just haters. They generally have the best fighters in the world signed up, other than the odd 1 or 2.

 

In that way, yes the UFC is like the WWE. It is the most popular MMA show and it has the best fighters the same as the WWE is the best wrestling entertainment show and has the most popular athlete/actors.

 

As has already been said, we have seen nothing of Mariusz. Absolutely noone can say what he is capable of from watching that fight. If you had a tick sheet for what he brings to the ring the only thing you can tick off for definite is strength. Is he fearless? I wouldn't say so, he was a bit apprehensive before the fight. Rightly so I guess as it was his first main fight. The fight showed absolutely nothing, he won't want to jump in the deep end with a seasoned fighter right away though. I blame noone for the turnout of this fight, it was just an exercise. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Well said mate. I hope there more to come from mariousz that will show what hes made of against a decsent opponent.

[jamesmark]

will show what hes made of against a decsent opponent.

 

Exactly what I say about Fedor.

[The Raven]

Yup, thats what I read. Doesn't say he will never fight again or that he has Hep c.

 

It says, as I already said, that he is out for a while and in a serious condition. Again, everything I have read said that it's something to do with this intestine.

 

They say he is suffering from Mononucleosis and Diverticulitis that leaked matter fecal matter into his abdomen.

 

This caused his immune system to fail.

 

Hence "he does not have AIDS" talk.

 

The fact brock does not want to talk about it lends itself to the Hep C talk that has been doing the rounds on a number of message boards.

 

White has said a few times hes not sure brock will be able to fight again. Which again feeds the mill

[tony tt]

Sorry guys i didnt realise that link did'nt work in post one.

[Konrad]

You guys might disagree with me but I don't think Mariusz Pudzianowski will be that good.

 

We have to remember he has been building his body to just lift weight, muscles are different in MMA.

 

Personally I think Tony Jaa would kick his ass

 

Remember 1 thing - Mariusz is training for MMA fights from er... 2 months. He knows perfectly well he is not ready yet to fight with top fighters, his own words was "MMA training is like 10store building, I'm at first floor. I will work hard to get to 10th floor, maybe not now, but in 3-4 years I WILL be heavyweight champion". Somehow, knowing him and his ambitions I believe him, more - I'm sure he will be champion

Comment about lifting weight - his opponent was saying exactly the same before he got his arse handed to him in 44 seconds. Some people said he will be slow, he was very fast, his strenght is incredible, Lesnar wouldn't stand a chance in power challenge. I've seen him throwing around people who had his arm fully locked.

I say " Be afraid, be very afraid"

[ilicos]

Hi Konrad.

 

I agree totally, I said a similar thing yesterday. His power is too immense and his kicks were very very good and effective!! His kyokushin is obviously good. In my opinion kyokushin is the most aggresive form of karate.

 

Unless he was very tired, a submission would be very difficult even for a grappling expert.

[grandiaerbest]

Exactly what I say about Fedor.

 

Come on man, i can't understand this anti Fedor thing some people have. Fedors last three fights were against two former UFC Champs and Brett Rogers who had a much better record then Lesner and still has.

 

So what you are saying is that the UFC sucks? who do you want to see Fedor fight to start giving him the respect he deserves? and don't say Lesner because Lesner is injured.

[Scott]

Come on man, i can't understand this anti Fedor thing some people have. Fedors last three fights were against two former UFC Champs and Brett Rogers who had a much better record then Lesner and still has.

 

So what you are saying is that the UFC sucks? who do you want to see Fedor fight to start giving him the respect he deserves? and don't say Lesner because Lesner is injured.

 

 

Gracie is a former UFC champion, he would get his ass handed to him nowadays. Former champions are just that, former, they got beat. To be the best you must beat the best, not the previous best. MMA is constantly evolving and moving on. IMO the bigger fighters is just the next step in the evolutionary chain. Frank Mir would give Fedor a run for his money IMO. What I seen of him last night was very good, granted it was a short lived fight but he was very efficient. Looked big too.

 

There aint no point in arguing about it. The UFC is the top of the food chain with the best fighters. They can contract whoever they want, why would they settle for anything but the best. If Fedor makes it into the UFC and beats the best, the argument is settled. Until then he hasn't fought anyone.

[Abz]

Hi Konrad.

 

I agree totally, I said a similar thing yesterday. His power is too immense and his kicks were very very good and effective!! His kyokushin is obviously good. In my opinion kyokushin is the most aggresive form of karate.

 

Unless he was very tired, a submission would be very difficult even for a grappling expert.

 

He does have power, but by just judging on that one video, no technic and as such you can not make a judgement at this stage on a fighter but if that is how he thinks MMA will be then he has another thing coming. MMA Fighters don't run away from their opponent & then curl up, as a fighter it is asking for a death sentence. IMO his leg kicks were more of a lunge, if the guy had been any good he would have moved away from the kick & then front kick into the stomach as Mariusz would have been on one leg & unbalanced, this would have then enabled him to start powering blows while he goes down.

 

I do think Mariusz would be good in a graple though, even if he does not have the knowledge, his sheer power would make submissions very difficult.

[grandiaerbest]

Gracie is a former UFC champion, he would get his ass handed to him nowadays. Former champions are just that, former, they got beat. To be the best you must beat the best, not the previous best. MMA is constantly evolving and moving on. IMO the bigger fighters is just the next step in the evolutionary chain. Frank Mir would give Fedor a run for his money IMO. What I seen of him last night was very good, granted it was a short lived fight but he was very efficient. Looked big too.

 

There aint no point in arguing about it. The UFC is the top of the food chain with the best fighters. They can contract whoever they want, why would they settle for anything but the best. If Fedor makes it into the UFC and beats the best, the argument is settled. Until then he hasn't fought anyone.

 

Fair enough, i see your argument and i can understand where you are coming from. But i don't think the UFC has the best heavyweight divsion, they have the best middleweight and so on, but i think Dream partnership with strikeforce have the best heavyweight divsion with guys like Fedor and Overreem and Wardum.

 

Also they have light heavyweight Mousasi who would give Anderson Silva a run for his money.

 

But i think your argument is very valid in that former champs are former champs. but i don't Fedor has anything to prove to anyone, he HAS beaten the best(beat nogueira in his prime and cro cop) and is a true legend.

[far]

I've been watching UFC since the early 90's and yes Royce was a great champ back in the day but he did come back about 12 years later - older and less fit and lost. And lets not forget the family champion Rickson who is still unbeaten and was much stronger and better than Royce. I would recommend you guys watch the 'Rickson Gracie Choke' documentary - he is truly awesome. Again not sure how he would fair up against the newer breed of MMA fighters but he had both good ground game and stand up.

 

The Pudzianowski fight was good but if you watch the other guy he kinda isnt the best ground fighter and a seasoned new world MMA fighter would not leave himself open as much. Still will be a good fight if the Brock vs Pudzianowski fight ever happens

[ilicos]

He does have power, but by just judging on that one video, no technic and as such you can not make a judgement at this stage on a fighter but if that is how he thinks MMA will be then he has another thing coming. MMA Fighters don't run away from their opponent & then curl up, as a fighter it is asking for a death sentence. IMO his leg kicks were more of a lunge, if the guy had been any good he would have moved away from the kick & then front kick into the stomach as Mariusz would have been on one leg & unbalanced, this would have then enabled him to start powering blows while he goes down.

 

I do think Mariusz would be good in a graple though, even if he does not have the knowledge, his sheer power would make submissions very difficult.

 

In my limited opinion (9 years kick boxing, 3 years Ishin Ryu Ju Jitsu) I think Mariusz had a very good stance, good reactions and blocking skills and near perfect leg sweeps. I don't know where you saw the lunges?

 

If you have ever received a powerful sweep/ shin kick to the legs you would know that the pain is immense (not so bad for the kicker coincidentally). His opponent was shell shocked and that led to his downfall.

 

Considering it was his first MMA fight he fought very well.

 

Don't forget that he does come from a martial arts background. He is 4th Dan Kyokushin karate, this is a brutal no nonsense form of karate not to be confused with kata based forms such as shotokan. He hasen't walked straight from the bench press into the cage!!

 

To get an understanding:

[grandiaerbest]

Sorry to revive this thread, but I thought considering all the new news about Mariusz, it was worth updating.

 

First he will be fighting some Japanese fighter called Yusuke Kawaguchi on May the 7th.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOjzRmTLECU

 

 

And on May 21th he will be fighting former UFC Champion in Tim Sylvia, should be a good test for Mariusz considering Tim's experience.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1grxLnV2oNQ

 

 

As has been mentioned before in this thread, I think Mariusz has a chance against almost any fighter considering mariusz incredible strength. he really is leaps and bounds over any other fighter when it comes to strength.

 

I for one am really looking forward to these matches.

[Scott]

Looking forward to them

[grandiaerbest]

Mariusz has fought Kawaguchi and it had to go to a decision. which is kinda disappointing, as I was expecting a better fight from Mariusz. But that being said, he is new to the game and will need time to adjust. and Kawaguchi is no amateur considering he had a record of 11-wins and only 1 lost. so Mariusz did a good job to beat a fighter like that.

 

Video is here:

 

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1SHZAbEWFQ

 

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HMErgey9c

 

 

Now it is Tim Sylvia on the 21st of may, which is this weekend, I am really looking forward to that.

[Harry Sachs]

MPudz does look the part,and fair play to him for grinding out the win, he pretty much tossed Kawaguchim around like and empty tracksuit in the beginning, tired way too soon for my liking though.

 

Here's hoping he finishes of Sylvia in a timely fashion, seeing as everyone and there grannie is getting a W over Sylvia lately.

[Scott]

Quality isn't great but it is watchable. His kicks had had no effect whatsoever on sylvia, seemed he ran out of ideas after that.

 

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[Guest damo1]

i take it non of you watch primetime on sky then? pudzianowski got hammered by tim silva, and he just couldnt hack it in the ring with SILVA..... again the bigger they are the harder they fall.......

 

just realised the video above...

[merckx]

Tim Sylvia obviously had more stamina, too much muscle on Pudzianowski using up his energy.