Max Headroom Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I was reading that in producing 1kg of pork you produce 6kgs of CO2 and 1kg of tomatoes produces 9kgs of CO2. A case for eating more meat and boycotting salad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Yeah but what about the tomato's feelings? He doesn't want to get eaten. Mr piggy however said he doesn't mind, and that we should rub on a little sea salt to get the best crackling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I was reading that in producing 1kg of pork you produce 6kgs of CO2 and 1kg of tomatoes produces 9kgs of CO2. A case for eating more meat and boycotting salad Fail. Both foods vary greatly depending on how they are grown and the shipping method used. Tomatoes, for example, vary from something like 0.01kg to 10kg CO2 depending on whether they were grown in greenhouses, artificial lit and heated etc etc. Don't pick and choose your figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 ..and don't forget the environmental cost of shipping all the pig guts etc off to a fossil-fuel powered waste management facility via a fossil-fuel powered vehicle. Did your 'source' add that to the equation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 So are we saying being vegan or vegetarian is better for the planet than being a meat-eater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 So are we saying being vegan or vegetarian is better for the planet than being a meat-eater? That is pretty much the gist of it. It's a lot more complicated than just not eating animal products. To even get a handle on it you have to think about over-population, transportation, available land and so much more. It's actually pretty scary. We could run out of food one day and will definitely see massive price increase for even the most basic of foodstuffs. There are numerous books, online articles on this subject out there. Some are sensationalist, some aren't. Reading between the lines it seems that, even if the entire planet went vegan, we still won't be able to grow enough food to feed everyone at our current population growth rates. Have a read. It's certainly fascinating whether you choose to do anything or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Have a read. It's certainly fascinating whether you choose to do anything or not. I may just do that. Any good links to prevent me being patronised by idiots posting 5 minute youtube documentaries on the subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Fail. Both foods vary greatly depending on how they are grown and the shipping method used. Tomatoes, for example, vary from something like 0.01kg to 10kg CO2 depending on whether they were grown in greenhouses, artificial lit and heated etc etc. Don't pick and choose your figures. How can I fail when you point out that my arguement is valid? mind you you did not choose to talk about mr piggy I did what any activist does and chose the figures to further my cause! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I may just do that. Any good links to prevent me being patronised by idiots posting 5 minute youtube documentaries on the subject? There's nothing that can stop that. This is okay. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/oct/27/vegan-vegetarian-stern-climate-change However, if you feel dirty after reading a 'lefty' newspaper article there should be plenty of keywords you can the Google for a wider view. I'm sure you won;t have to try very hard to find the likes of Fox News stating that the only way to save the planet is to eat more meat and anyone who says different is a pinko commoe fag*ot heretic. Or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 That is pretty much the gist of it. It's a lot more complicated than just not eating animal products. To even get a handle on it you have to think about over-population, transportation, available land and so much more. It's actually pretty scary. We could run out of food one day and will definitely see massive price increase for even the most basic of foodstuffs. There are numerous books, online articles on this subject out there. Some are sensationalist, some aren't. Reading between the lines it seems that, even if the entire planet went vegan, we still won't be able to grow enough food to feed everyone at our current population growth rates. Have a read. It's certainly fascinating whether you choose to do anything or not. Whats the figure for bio fuels? and what percentage of the worlds grain is used for animal feed? 40% is it? A natural disaster normally comes along to cull the explosion in the growth rate of the human race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 How can I fail when you point out that my arguement is valid? mind you you did not choose to talk about mr piggy I did what any activist does and chose the figures to further my cause! I deliberately didn't focus on Mr. Piggy because, as a vegan, my views might be construed as biased. So I acknowledged that your point about tomatoes is, IN SOME BUT NOT ALL CASES, correct. My cause is that everyone has enough food, that animals don't suffer and that we do it all with the least cost to the environment. It makes my head spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I don't like veg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 A natural disaster normally comes along to cull the explosion in the growth rate of the human race I hope so. We humans really are the worst thing that has happened to this planet and the other lifeforms that have to share it with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I don't like veg. You're from Scotland right? Dip in batter. You'll love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 However, if you feel dirty after reading a 'lefty' newspaper article there should be plenty of keywords you can the Google for a wider view. LOL I read a lot of newspapers mate. Left, right, central, ridiculous et al. It's only entertainment, but I like it. I'm sure you won't have to try very hard to find the likes of Fox News stating that the only way to save the planet is to eat more meat Actually, the reason I was interested came from an article I read last week in the Times about how the government want us to eat less red meat to stifle methane emissions. It got me thinking... I thought I'd seek some guidance from the learned people on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I once ate veg pakora when I was drunk, thinking it was the chicken variety. Took me a few bites to realise so you might be onto something there. Never did try it again though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 I deliberately didn't focus on Mr. Piggy because, as a vegan, my views might be construed as biased. So I acknowledged that your point about tomatoes is, IN SOME BUT NOT ALL CASES, correct. My cause is that everyone has enough food, that animals don't suffer and that we do it all with the least cost to the environment. It makes my head spin. If you had included Mr Piggy your views would have been balanced. Its like me not talking about veg. I am afraid we can't have it both ways, either of us! AND NO NEED TO SHOUT!! Oh and my cause is "The Pale Blue Dot" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 More veg = more methane, which is far more harmful than the CO2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Very true, it's the cow farts thats causing global warming. We've got some work to do, I'll have a t-bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Actually, the reason I was interested came from an article I read last week in the Times about how the government want us to eat less red meat to stifle methane emissions. It got me thinking... I thought I'd seek some guidance from the learned people on here Was that that Nicolas Stern piece? He did say that he felt his message had become slightly skewed and that Veganism/vegetarianism on their own wouldn't be enough. Here's a thing. I often run to a nearby farm shop to buy locally grown fruit and veg. I'm so carbon-negative I should be a poster child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meko Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Cows are vegetarian, so that'll do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Was that that Nicolas Stern piece? He did say that he felt his message had become slightly skewed and that Veganism/vegetarianism on their own wouldn't be enough. Actually it was this. I believe it was a reaction to Stern's bit earlier in the week. I think it's all mind-bendingly hard to evaluate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 "save the planet" is an interesting phrase as lets face it the planet will be fine its us thats in for a hard time at some point down the line! I saw a Ray Mears programme the other day set in Canada and part of the programme described the Lynx and the Hare's interdependance. ie the species exhibited inverse population fluctations, as the Hares population went up so the Lynx would follow only for them to prey so much on the hares their numbers would drop and then the Lynx's suffer. Their habitat and the relatively low number of species in it made such interdependance and the link to population numbers easy to see. Where we differ is in our ability to adapt to different food and nearly every habitat (making us effectively top of the food chain with no natural predator), which has thus far allowed us as a species to just continue to expand in number..........we will as a inteligent species stop our population so we don't overshoot and cause mass death in the future..........will we bollocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Good points, Scooter. We'll basically f**k ourselves in the end and all we are doing at this time is trying to save the planet in a way which only really benefits us. Like I said earlier. The planet will be fine once we're gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 "save the planet" is an interesting phrase as lets face it the planet will be fine its us thats in for a hard time at some point down the line! I think it's more 'save OUR planet', as in, keep it as it is now, with plenty of food, lots of fuels to burn, and an easy lifestyle with conveniences to make our easy survival even easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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