michael Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Just as the racing started to get interesting they have managed to combat this by removing teams http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32714 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4514569.stm Once again the BBC have better coverage "The BAR team has been banned for two races for running an underweight car at the San Marino Grand Prix. An appeal court of motorsport's ruling body the FIA also stripped BAR of the 10 points won by Jenson Button and team-mate Takuma Sato at Imola. But it stopped short of meeting the FIA's request that BAR be thrown out of the Formula One championship. Button's car was found to be 5.4kg underweight when it was weighed at the end of the race at Imola last month. The FIA found two additional fuel tanks within the main tank and argued that BAR had broken rules by using fuel as ballast to allow the car to run light during a race - giving it a speed advantage. Button took third place behind Renault's Fernando Alonso and Ferrari's Michael Schumacher at Imola. Along with Takuma Sato's fifth place, it gave BAR their first points of the season." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Cause no other team cheat's or bends the rules.....whatever...it's the FIA trying to prove they are still in control...twats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 a 6 month ban suspended for a year....well button wont be there next year then. i think its stupid banning them. Maybe take the points. But after reading bit where it says.... they were asked to drain it of fuel and left some in the 2nd tank. .... what they expect!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 The silly thing is the court hearing agreed the car never ran light...just that it had the potential to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 And would the same rules be applied to the team in Red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I think they got off quite well there! They could have had a years ban. Cheaters!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 this is BS :( just when "F-yawn" was getting interesting. I'm not watching it anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 The silly thing is the court hearing agreed the car never ran light...just that it had the potential to. Not quite, they agreed there was no way of PROVING that they ran light, but why have a system like that if you aren't going to? Pretty clearly breaking the rules and very silly of BAR to even try something like that without asking for a rule clarification first. I think a 2 race ban was a bit harsh, but the FIA were asking for them to be excluded from the whole rest of the season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 another member on here did point out that almost all the teams on the grid are pushing the rules past the limit, just a question of when they will get caught. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 They all do it and run the risk....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 ARTICLE 4 : WEIGHT 4.1 Minimum weight : The weight of the car must not be less than 605kg during the qualifying practice session and no less than 600kg at all other times during the Event. 4.2 Ballast : Ballast can be used provided it is secured in such a way that tools are required for its removal. It must be possible to fix seals if deemed necessary by the FIA technical delegate. 4.3 Adding during the race : With the exception of fuel and compressed gases, no substance may be added to the car during the race. If it becomes necessary to replace any part of the car during the race, the new part must not weigh any more than the original part. Basically any ballast can be only removed using a tool. A fuel pump is not a tool. This means that the fuel can-not be classed as ballast. With the fuel removed they were underweight. Clear cut. The idea is to retrict teams from running fuel as a ballast, running ultra light in the middle of the race, jumping past other cars when they pit, and then over-fuelling it on the last pit-stop to bring it back up to weight. Them providing data to show fuel usage is not proof that they didn't run light. How do you prove the data is accurate. They got off light IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Yeah but amazingly they still don't do anything about Ferrari testing too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Yeah but amazingly they still don't do anything about Ferrari testing too much... Well the Ferrari thing is a bit of a strange one, as it's not breaking any rules laid down by the FIA. Everyone else made an agreement to limit testing, Ferrari didn't agree and that was that. Instead of everyone else saying "well that's scuppered that then" we've all said, "oh well we're going to limit our testing, you do whatever you want". I wouldn't agree either if had spent millions on nuilding a test track right next door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Show's how much of a grip the FIA have on matters then doesn't it. Why bother getting involved at all if they can't sort out things like testing regulations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Show's how much of a grip the FIA have on matters then doesn't it. Why bother getting involved at all if they can't sort out things like testing regulations? Because they can only change the regulations with the agreement of all teams unless for safety reasons. The Concorde agreement states that and is legally binding so there's nothing they can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Yes, I know. But it's still completely undermining the efforts to cut costs. It's just shows that no-one is in control and they might as well not bother as it's not a level playing field. Unanimous agreements don't work - just tell them what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arctic Chill Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Must say I agree with Alex. The regs are to make an even(ish) playing field therefore making races closer and more exiting. This season seemed to be the most interesting for a while, but now everyones just waiting for the Ferrari march to victory. If Mitsubishi decided to do what they want in WRC would everyone just say "Well it's only a bit of fun, nothing binding"? Minardi seem to be the only team standing up for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imvarma Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Plenty of info on this on the honda website http://www.honda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynb Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Must say I agree with Alex. The regs are to make an even(ish) playing field therefore making races closer and more exiting. This season seemed to be the most interesting for a while, but now everyones just waiting for the Ferrari march to victory. If Mitsubishi decided to do what they want in WRC would everyone just say "Well it's only a bit of fun, nothing binding"? Minardi seem to be the only team standing up for themselves. I remember Toyota doing just what they wanted to their turbos in WRC and they were thrown out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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