RedM Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Like i said before, more bad imaging for muslims, im a muslim and can simply say this, this Choudary fella is a c@ck, however people who sit there and think all muslims are like this c@ck are even bigger c@cks. simple fact of the matter is that islam is a peaceful religion and right from the beginning they state extremist, so what im trying to get at is that fella has no right to call himself a muslim, hes in breach of basic rules. letting people like this fart get to you and build hate, fear or support for BNP is ridiculous. common fella's some comments are bad and you should take into consideration how you make others feel...... Spot on. It's a crying shame that things have got so bad that stuff like this has to be pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Like i said before, more bad imaging for muslims, im a muslim and can simply say this, this Choudary fella is a c@ck, however people who sit there and think all muslims are like this c@ck are even bigger c@cks. simple fact of the matter is that islam is a peaceful religion and right from the beginning they state extremist, so what im trying to get at is that fella has no right to call himself a muslim, hes in breach of basic rules. letting people like this fart get to you and build hate, fear or support for BNP is ridiculous. common fella's some comments are bad and you should take into consideration how you make others feel...... I agree with what your saying, although newspapers writing about extremists have been going on for years, and your right it does make some people anti Muslim But in the last few years i believe the people of this country ( any culture and colour) have had enough of the open borders and the economic migrants, and asylum seekers that come through safe country's to get here. The jobless will hit new records towards the middle of next year as this recession starts to bite, the construction industry is starting to nose dive now, and will continue to do so, And every time someone loses there job, they go on benefits the welfare system is a total shambles and will get worse FFS even our M.Ps have had there dirty little mits in our money what a country eh:blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kslb Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I do think we as a country are very accommodating with regard to "foreign" religions. I do not know many other countries you can go to and openly practice a religion outside that countries norm. I am sad to say that due to idiots like this I am very much of the opinion that if you want to live in Britain live British if not live somewhere else. I like the idea of being a multicultural society but unfortunately we as a country are an example that this does not work, multi racial yes but multi cultural no it causes too many problems. If your religion comes first why not practice it in a country that also considers it a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Maybe this was the whole intention of the article? Controversy --> outrage --> votes for the BNP I think the bit in bold was the real reason for the article. I'm sure the mantra of a tabloid journalist is, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story". Tabloid journalists make politicians and other distrusted groups look like monks in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevan Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 The BNP, with the help of bullshit articles like this, are playing on people's fears. They are a single issue organisation and will change their spots to suit. Not so long ago they were anti-semitic, then anti-black, now anti-muslim! Who will be their target next year? If you can hold down your breakfast, take a look at their site and see how empty their policy book is. They have no suggestions on how to resolve the problems in this country except to try and deport a sizeable chunk of the population. A bunch of Micky Mouse wannabe politicions peddling hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 The BNP, with the help of bull$#@! articles like this, are playing on people's fears. . i would say that the public are getting more wound up than scared. also the article isnt bull$#@! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 It's all about dividing up social networks. Anti-this, anti-that, everybody hates everybody thanks to mass media control. Hardly anyone talks to their neighbours anymore, we all sit inside watching TV. Smoking has been banned, so 90% of the people who socialise with their friends at the local pub can no longer do that, and now pubs are closing down left right and centre. So we reach out to the new papers to find out what's going on outside of our houses, and all the information we get is lies and fear-mongering re-establishing our 'decision' to stay indoors away form everybody! And when we DO go out, we are oppressed by made up laws, so we are living in fear of speed traps, stop-and-searches, fines for this, fines for that, and in fear of doing anything that will offend someone and get ourselves sued! What happened to being free? We are so controlled in everything we do we don’t even realise it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Smoking has been banned, so 90% of the people who socialise with their friends at the local pub can no longer do that 90% of the population are smokers? Crikey. I doubt that the public smoking ban deters 90% of smokers from going to the pub, let alone 90% of the general population. Or maybe not having to passive smoke just ruins the atmosphere (so to speak) for non-smokers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I tend to think that 100% of the people who socialise at the local pub with their friends can no longer smoke in there. Statistics eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 all i read was the title and i was sickened! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 90% of the population are smokers? Crikey. I doubt that the public smoking ban deters 90% of smokers from going to the pub, let alone 90% of the general population. Or maybe not having to passive smoke just ruins the atmosphere (so to speak) for non-smokers? suprise suprise, a good point made, oh wait there's an inaccuracy, better pick up on that. The spread of hate and fear is too widespread, we are all people sharing the same planet, shame divisions are instilled in us from very early on, why cant the simularites be drummed in? It is the old moto, ''divide and conquer'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 i would say that the public are getting more wound up than scared. also the article isnt bull$#@! Bullshit in meaning the article is a load of crap. Its designed to get more of a reaction than anything. Why would the media pay attention to 1% of the so-called muslims and ignore the other 99%? Because the other 99% won't sell news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Bull$#@! in meaning the article is a load of crap. Its designed to get more of a reaction than anything. Why would the media pay attention to 1% of the so-called muslims and ignore the other 99%? Because the other 99% won't sell news! So true and people will ignore the 99% but concentrate only on the 1%......................... mad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Bit like the stats for people killed on the roads by speeding.. It's very low, but hey.. it's high profile and as we all know 'Speed Kills' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 shame divisions are instilled in us from very early on, why cant the simularites be drummed in? I have no Idea what 'shame devisions' are, but I get what you mean. The answer (IMO) is being afraid of people different from you used to be a significant evolutionary advantage - it kept you alive. It's going to take more than a few decades of pretend equality to overturn that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Bullshit in meaning the article is a load of crap. Its designed to get more of a reaction than anything. Why would the media pay attention to 1% of the so-called muslims and ignore the other 99%? Because the other 99% won't sell news! It seems that this thread nicely sums up my view of the media. Utter rubbish pedlers which are going more damage than god to society. In my opinion the media should have a major overhaul and be better monitored to prevent articles purely to try get a reaction. But in the last few years i believe the people of this country ( any culture and colour) have had enough of the open borders and the economic migrants, and asylum seekers that come through safe country's to get here. But why have they got fed up? - If you didn't read the papers or watch the news would you even know we had boarders let alone immigrants? My point is that you suggest we have an immigrant problem but your opinion is based purely on what you have read (I suspect) in which case your conclusions are based purely on facts from a very unsafe source (the media). There are loads of experts who suggest we need more immigrants (not the illegal drug taking murdering kind) but it is rare the Sun or the Daily Sport ever report on that side of the argument and hence joe public get a one sided view of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I agree with 78% of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 They should have him on Question Time with a hand picked audience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 your opinion is based purely on what you have read (I suspect) in which case your conclusions are based purely on facts from a very unsafe source (the media). does this go for peoples opinions on the BNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 It seems that this thread nicely sums up my view of the media. Utter rubbish pedlers which are going more damage than god to society. In my opinion the media should have a major overhaul and be better monitored to prevent articles purely to try get a reaction. But why have they got fed up? - If you didn't read the papers or watch the news would you even know we had boarders let alone immigrants? My point is that you suggest we have an immigrant problem but your opinion is based purely on what you have read (I suspect) in which case your conclusions are based purely on facts from a very unsafe source (the media). There are loads of experts who suggest we need more immigrants (not the illegal drug taking murdering kind) but it is rare the Sun or the Daily Sport ever report on that side of the argument and hence joe public get a one sided view of the situation. Yes a fair bit is based on what we see in papers/television, But as i work in construction and see day to day the guys getting anti migrant, and the storys of "why are you employing contractors that mainly use eastern european workers" when there are millions unemployed. Well the fact is a few years ago there were many more contracts around and we needed the extra workers, but now as many big contracts in the country are finishing there is not enough jobs for everyone. There have been loads of protests from british jobs for british workers around some of the sites where i work and tey are not a nice sight. with the olympics project nearing completion, and the delays on kingsnorth power station and crossrail, and many many more projects shelved, there will be nowhere near the jobs around than there used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 "why are you employing contractors that mainly use eastern european workers" when there are millions unemployed. Whats your take on that? Is there a vendetta against british workers or is it a case of simple economics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Whats your take on that? Is there a vendetta against british workers or is it a case of simple economics? My take is most of the eastern Europeans are more reliable, there is nothing in it in economics as all the contracts i have managed everyones rate of pay is the same (in each trade that is) and the contractors we use are payed the going rate, this year we had 75 steel fixers and 70% were eastern Europeans, carpenters 50%, concreters 60% Asian/30% eastern Europeans, 10% English/British yet my phone is always going from people looking for work I have to lay off another 50 guys over the next 5 weeks too:( and 20 of the have been with me for many years:rolleyes: hard times are coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 My take is most of the eastern Europeans are more reliable, there is nothing in it in economics as all the contracts i have managed everyones rate of pay is the same (in each trade that is) and the contractors we use are payed the going rate, this year we had 75 steel fixers and 70% were eastern Europeans, carpenters 50%, concreters 60% Asian/30% eastern Europeans, 10% English/British yet my phone is always going from people looking for work I have to lay off another 50 guys over the next 5 weeks too:( and 20 of the have been with me for many years:rolleyes: hard times are coming its a Globalised Economy and hence competitive. If the brits want to be part of the game then according to you they need to raise their standards. So basically the ball is in their court, isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 suprise suprise, a good point made, oh wait there's an inaccuracy, better pick up on that. With the greatest respect to Benkei, who contributes some good ideas on here, this particular post of his - in my opinion - contains a whole series of dodgy claims. Is it true that people don't speak to their neighbours? Depends where you are. Some of my friends live in very neighbourly communities. Is it true that pubs are closing because of the smoking ban, or could there be other reasons? Is it true that people are socialising less? I went out today and didn't feel in the least bit oppressed by 'made up' laws. And what's a 'made up' law anyway? The '90% of people' statement was only representative of a post that was - again, in my opinion - such a gloomy portrait of life in the UK that I wanted to challenge it. You obviously like to believe that in pointing out an obvious mistake, I'm focusing on unimportant details whilst missing the greater truth. Take, for example, any of your tinfoil hat threads. What you don't seem to grasp is that it would be equally possible to rebut any part of your nonsensical arguments. However, as there is enough ordure in a typical post to fertilise the whole of the UK for some time, I'm forced to cherry pick the most obvious nonsense. It's a shame, I think it's good that you have an interest in societal, environmental and political issues. But how about looking beyond far right-wing websites run by guys like the Heartland Institute? I know the 'mainstream media' has a lot to answer for, but at least the broadsheets have to have some basic standards of journalistic accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 My take is most of the eastern Europeans are more reliable, there is nothing in it in economics as all the contracts i have managed everyones rate of pay is the same (in each trade that is) and the contractors we use are payed the going rate, this year we had 75 steel fixers and 70% were eastern Europeans, carpenters 50%, concreters 60% Asian/30% eastern Europeans, 10% English/British yet my phone is always going from people looking for work I have to lay off another 50 guys over the next 5 weeks too:( and 20 of the have been with me for many years:rolleyes: hard times are coming Interesting post. When you say that the Eastern Europeans are seen as more reliable, reliable in what way? Do you mean they are more reliable at showing up. or the standard of their work or what? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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