cheekymonkey Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I am writing a Specification of Works to fit out a building with partitions etc which will be used for some light industrial stuff. Now, I have done a floor plan but the landlord wants a written specification of what we want to do. I don't thinking writing "me and my brother will stick up some of those plasterboard wall things" is going to cut it. So, what's the technical term for partition walls that you make from a timber frame, with plasterboard on each side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHandy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I am writing a Specification of Works to fit out a building with partitions etc which will be used for some light industrial stuff. Now, I have done a floor plan but the landlord wants a written specification of what we want to do. I don't thinking writing "me and my brother will stick up some of those plasterboard wall things" is going to cut it. So, what's the technical term for partition walls that you make from a timber frame, with plasterboard on each side? Stud wall linky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra geordie Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 stud walls methinks? but am a girlie so probably incorrect?! Edit. Oh you beat me to it Mr Handy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHandy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I am writing a Specification of Works to fit out a building with partitions etc which will be used for some light industrial stuff. Now, I have done a floor plan but the landlord wants a written specification of what we want to do. I don't thinking writing "me and my brother will stick up some of those plasterboard wall things" is going to cut it. So, what's the technical term for partition walls that you make from a timber frame, with plasterboard on each side? The definitive metal stud partition system metal is quicker and easer the above will give you all the Bs numbers you'll need to baffel him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Stud wall linky John where in Essex are you? I might ask you to come around my flat and do some handy works for a fee if you wouldn't mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymonkey Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 The definitive metal stud partition system metal is quicker and easer the above will give you all the Bs numbers you'll need to baffel him!! That looks quite cool - would it be much more expensive than timber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 sounds like he wants a full scope. so spec walls and finishes etc, any fire compartments or fire doors etc. required?? I guess also Floor and Ceiling finishes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 metal stud is the norm these days, the GypWall classic is what i mostly spec (depending on heights and fire rating), well on commercial buildings. Resi i would maybe use timber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probrox Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Something along the lines of 'Erect new timber studwork partition comprising of 50mm x 100mm members securely fixed to walls and to include 12.5mm plasterboard fixed to both faces'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymonkey Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 metal stud is the norm these days, the GypWall classic is what i mostly spec (depending on heights and fire rating), well on commercial buildings. Resi i would maybe use timber. How does the gypwall work if I need to put a ceiling on? Imaging an industrial unit with a high roof, and I just need to build a work area perhaps 7.5m x 2m about 2.5m high. Quality of finish doesn't need to be high here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 you can do that... does it need to be a fire rated compartment? (room) how high is the roof? I would wanna be having some sort of restraint. Probably a 90x90 steel post at each corner fixed at high level. as for a ceiling you could have a plasterboard and skim it, or a suspended, but i think that might be overkill. Do you need any form of extract ventilation if its a workshop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymonkey Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I don't have the exact height of the roof, it's around 6meters though I'd say. Yes vents are needed and these will go in the walls. I think I need to go back to my team and get some clarification on what's needed. Do builders doing work on commercial property need to be properly accredited? If it was up to me I'd pay some professionals however my brother is keen to get stuck in, I'm sure he'd do a good job but has no formal training, just experience putting walls up in his own house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 i would ask Jamie P on that one mate. The work i do is 5million plus, so we deal with contractors. The only thing i would say is maybe give your local building Control a call and just mention what you wanna do and see if anything is required (but that might make more work for you) I would PM Jamie P and ask as i know he is a builder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHandy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 That looks quite cool - would it be much more expensive than timber? What you pay in materials you will make back 2 fold in time that is why the system has developed. How does the gypwall work if I need to put a ceiling on? Imaging an industrial unit with a high roof, and I just need to build a work area perhaps 7.5m x 2m about 2.5m high. Quality of finish doesn't need to be high here. Grid system for cealings If you need fire protection you will need to use shaft wall fireline board system and intumesent mastic / rock wool products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 You can't build a ceiling, or make an enclosed box with just Gypwall and MF ceiling alone. The framing of the wall needs to go all the way up to the roof steels to give you lateral support, else the whole thing will just fold up. If you want to make a stand-alone "box" then you should do this in structural timber framing. Bear in mind that any future users of teh building will look at that roofed box and sure as eggs is eggs, someone will try to walk on it or use it as a storage space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHandy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 You can't build a ceiling, or make an enclosed box with just Gypwall and MF ceiling alone. The framing of the wall needs to go all the way up to the roof steels to give you lateral support, else the whole thing will just fold up. If you want to make a stand-alone "box" then you should do this in structural timber framing. Bear in mind that any future users of teh building will look at that roofed box and sure as eggs is eggs, someone will try to walk on it or use it as a storage space. Shaft wall is a floor to cealing product for fire proofing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Shaftwall is designed to provide robust walls or ceilings to cover over ducts, liftshafts etc. In the application that the OP describes, the principles remain the same, he would still have to take the walls all the way up to the soffit of the steels in the main frame of the building, and then hang a non structural ceiling in the room created. Doing that in Shaftwall would be an unnecessary expense. Gyproc do actually do a system of loadbearing partitions that would allow the construction of a stand-alone "room" but again, could be pricey, and really, the OP needs to decide what he wants to do. All I'm saying is that a standard Gyproc wall system may seem to fit the bill for a workshop that is only 2.5m high but that system is designed to be fitted between the soffit of a structure and the floor, and has a max height of 3.8m with the bigger studs. Something like Shaftwall or Staggered, will allow the height to go up to the estimated 6m. Given the size is only 7.5 by 2m, I suggest using a timber framed box would be far easier, both in cost and in workmanship, since he won't have to use scaffold towers. 150x50mm ceiling joists at 600mm centres lined with 18mm ply to the top should be plenty strong enough on a 75x50mm SW framing with a layer each side of 12.5mm Gyproc wallboard. This can be easily demolished at a later date, again this will please the landlord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHandy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Shaftwall is designed to provide robust walls or ceilings to cover over ducts, liftshafts etc. In the application that the OP describes, the principles remain the same, he would still have to take the walls all the way up to the soffit of the steels in the main frame of the building, and then hang a non structural ceiling in the room created. Doing that in Shaftwall would be an unnecessary expense. Gyproc do actually do a system of loadbearing partitions that would allow the construction of a stand-alone "room" but again, could be pricey, and really, the OP needs to decide what he wants to do. All I'm saying is that a standard Gyproc wall system may seem to fit the bill for a workshop that is only 2.5m high but that system is designed to be fitted between the soffit of a structure and the floor, and has a max height of 3.8m with the bigger studs. Something like Shaftwall or Staggered, will allow the height to go up to the estimated 6m. Given the size is only 7.5 by 2m, I suggest using a timber framed box would be far easier, both in cost and in workmanship, since he won't have to use scaffold towers. 150x50mm ceiling joists at 600mm centres lined with 18mm ply to the top should be plenty strong enough on a 75x50mm SW framing with a layer each side of 12.5mm Gyproc wallboard. This can be easily demolished at a later date, again this will please the landlord. Sorry I'm used to airport engineering and specification, not very familiar with just a timber frame box thingy. cheekymonkey I think the long and the short is call on a professional even if it just for design and speck you can always build it yourself as it is not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymonkey Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Thanks all for the advice. I think Rob has it nailed and timber is the way to go for this application. Will most likely get a professional in to do the work so if anyone can recommend a builder on the Swindon area then let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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