jackso11 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 hmm.....after reading this thread am I right in saying the facelift was in actual fact a massive downgrade?!? Glad my car is old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 You say that, but the vvti motor is better IMHO, it has fly-by-wire throttle with extra safety functions built in, such as throttle shutdown when knock is detected and things like that. The VVTi ecu is also a bit more advanced compared to the non-vvti. Some would say that's the very reason why Toyota cut costs on everything else on the later cars. Development of an emission friendly engine dips into petty cash somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 The VVTi system was used mostly for emissions purposes And the FBW throttle has a habit of tripping out for no reason, leaving you in limp-home mode where the last 10% of throttle travel works the first 10% of the throttle. I believe the fix is to buy a whole new throttle body at about £600 I only know of one car its knock sensing has saved and that's because the pudding added 15deg of timing without listening for det or anything (he then bitched about the stupid throttle closing by itself hah) I think the facelift did a lot of good things. Mine hasn't had the boot release or seatbelt problem (er actually the drivers one might be a bit tired now at 13 years old). The dash is better by miles, nice gauge surround, no rubber stuff to peel off. Nicer steering wheel, head and tail lights are way prettier, indicators in the right place haha Thinner metal? Er, ok, well it still stops the rain getting in so... The best Supra evar is a facelift pre-vvti , I think there was a 6 to 9 month window to get one of those. 6spd manual of course. In red And my diff hasn't let go yet. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 The best Supra evar is a facelift pre-vvti , I think there was a 6 to 9 month window to get one of those. 6spd manual of course. In red Nahhh, black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 black FTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 so the wise choice is always to go for a pre facelift for the better built car all round.... everyday is a school day! thanks for all the responses guys! Yeah, and it's spelling tomorrow - whoopee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbryant_knight Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I agree withalmost everything on here. Love the Facelift front lights but not keen on the rears. Also, i far prefer the digi gauges. i just wish it had ALL digi gauges. In fact i am considering getting some from here when i get some spare cash http://egauges.com/Cyb_main.asp?gclid=CNfB1o6_w5kCFQquGgodvkdDuw Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I prefer everything about the facelift, front lights, rear lights, side/indicator lights, side marker bits, inside layout, the fact they're faster...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraGirlie Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Facelift rears look nice on quick silver Supra's though, just no black imo. Anyway facelifts are all rubbish because they didn't make a facelift TT aero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Never heard of a FBW throttle problem......interesting..... The VVTi system was used mostly for emissions purposes And the FBW throttle has a habit of tripping out for no reason, leaving you in limp-home mode where the last 10% of throttle travel works the first 10% of the throttle. I believe the fix is to buy a whole new throttle body at about £600 I only know of one car its knock sensing has saved and that's because the pudding added 15deg of timing without listening for det or anything (he then bitched about the stupid throttle closing by itself hah) I think the facelift did a lot of good things. Mine hasn't had the boot release or seatbelt problem (er actually the drivers one might be a bit tired now at 13 years old). The dash is better by miles, nice gauge surround, no rubber stuff to peel off. Nicer steering wheel, head and tail lights are way prettier, indicators in the right place haha Thinner metal? Er, ok, well it still stops the rain getting in so... The best Supra evar is a facelift pre-vvti , I think there was a 6 to 9 month window to get one of those. 6spd manual of course. In red And my diff hasn't let go yet. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supradan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Nahhh, black I think you mean White;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplavery Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 i did not know alot of people like the pre facelift rear lights more...i have a set in that case for sale who ever interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 i only need a crappy set to do clear indicator mod on mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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