johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 They strike at any excuse and potentially put more lives in danger than their own, the Police are not allowed to strike, why should they? Look at the risk, look at the job ... then please re-evaluate your comment. They were asking for £30k. Would you put your life on the line for that? I wouldn't. The Fire Service do a phenomenal job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Lazy, dirty, work-shy, smelly b*stards. You're a f"cking hypocrite, you spend every moment of your working life on this forum or doing other none work related things; proof of which you stick up in threads on here. I've been on here a lot recently as we don't have much work on, but every time over the past 3.5 years I've logged on your here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Ibtl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonT Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Binmen, Posties, Ambulance Drivers (not Paramedics) are essentially unskilled labour - and for every job there's about 50 people that can do it. So, they can bollox off. The majority of Ambulance drivers are Paramedics Ibtl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Not all of them though, hence the exclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Not all of them though, hence the exclusion. Why because they are unskilled (If you want to be so derogatory), should they not be treated fairly and recieve adequate payment. This thread is ridiculous, members are actually saying that this stems down to them 'not having any skill' therefore they shouldn't have a leg to stand on. This world takes all sorts of people to function. Without the people at the bottom, the people at the top (like me ) can't function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Why because they are unskilled (If you want to be so derogatory), should they not be treated fairly and recieve adequate payment. This thread is ridiculous, members are actually saying that this stems down to them 'not having any skill' therefore they shouldn't have a leg to stand on. This world takes all sorts of people to function. Without the people at the bottom, the people at the top (like me ) can't function. They are unskilled though - they might well be talented in other areas, but what exactly is skilled about delivering letters? You don't need a qualification to do it, do you? Hence the term, unskilled. Unlike a Fireman, Paramedic, etc, who do required training and are therefore "skilled". It's not a derogatory term, it's an accurate one. They should be treated fairly, yes. But they should also appreciate that this is an employers market, not an employees market - they are not in a position to dictate. There are tens of thousands of people who would love to have a job, and yet the CWU are risking 'their' people's jobs by striking. It stinks. And yes, this country, like every other, needs people at all levels. But, people want everything put on a plate for them - but I'm sorry, it doesn't happen that way. I get up at 5.30am every day, I travel all around the country do various sites where my people are - life is not easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Now you all understand how difficult the job of a politician is. Please continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Look at the risk, look at the job ... then please re-evaluate your comment. They were asking for £30k. Would you put your life on the line for that? I wouldn't. The Fire Service do a phenomenal job. The police do, and for less pay. edit: coming up to bonfire night too, great time for the firefighters to go on strike isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Certain sections of the police do, not all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Certain sections of the police do, not all... Certain sections like the majority of the front line officers you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Certain sections like the majority of the front line officers you mean? Front line is a hazy definition. The Police know they can't strike and still choose to go in to The Force. It's their choice. I don't get your argument? Or, are you just trying to be argumentative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Or, are you just trying to be argumentative? God forbid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 You're a f"cking hypocrite, you spend every moment of your working life on this forum or doing other none work related things; proof of which you stick up in threads on here. I've been on here a lot recently as we don't have much work on, but every time over the past 3.5 years I've logged on your here. Matt H - taking the Civil out of Engineering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Front line is a hazy definition. The Police know they can't strike and still choose to go in to The Force. It's their choice. I don't get your argument? Or, are you just trying to be argumentative? I don't get your argument, Police Officers get a choice... but firefighters don't? Is there some fire service conscription scheme that I'm not aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I don,t know the full story, (and don,t really give a toss) but they are putting there jobs on the line, union muscle has wasted away in these more modern times. Goverments will not tolerate striking anymore and its a shame some of these union fatcats cannot see it The P.O has employed 30.000 temps to try to keep some of the company going, and there are plenty more with work permits queing up striking postmen/womens days are numbered, sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I don't get your argument, Police Officers get a choice... but firefighters don't? Is there some fire service conscription scheme that I'm not aware of? *shakes head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Matt H - taking the Civil out of Engineering... rofl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Tell you what... I've not read most of this thread, but I find strike action somewhat unfair if I'm honest.... I was made redundant back in December last year because there was no work... Could I go on strike in order to keep my job, no!! I just had to go 'Thank you very much' and move on.. In the mean time I've been doing delivery jobs to keep the pennies rolling in. Where was my union, where was my strike action... It didn't happen. I had to man up and do what I could with what I had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 All I want to say is "Welcome to the 21st century. Job security is a thing of the past - get used to it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyh_15 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The police do, and for less pay. edit: coming up to bonfire night too, great time for the firefighters to go on strike isn't it. fire fighters don't get 30k! you have to pass a much harder entry test than the police! physically and mentally,you then have to do 3months training in many different roles not just putting out fires and cutting people out of cars!maybe if the police received more training before being put on the street with another pc after a few weeks and they had people skills they might get more respect! then after the 3months of training you have to do continual training along with an NVQ just to be deemed a competent fire fighter and then you may get 30k but not from the outset its after almost 2years! sorry for the rant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I'm on the posties side. F**k privatisation. If that happened our village post office counter would close, people would have to go elsewhere, that'd affect takings at the village shop, that'd close down, people would have no 'hub' locally and I'd also have to move as our flat is subsidised by the takings of the shop. So, all you inconsiderate f**ks who are being barely even a teensy f**king bit inconvenienced should just shut the f**k up. All that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 fire fighters don't get 30k! you have to pass a much harder entry test than the police! physically and mentally,you then have to do 3months training in many different roles not just putting out fires and cutting people out of cars!maybe if the police received more training before being put on the street with another pc after a few weeks and they had people skills they might get more respect! then after the 3months of training you have to do continual training along with an NVQ just to be deemed a competent fire fighter and then you may get 30k but not from the outset its after almost 2years! sorry for the rant! I never said firefighters get £30k, 3 months training? Police officer probationary period training is 2 years I believe. I'd also like to point out that nowhere have I said that being a firefighter (or police officer) is an easy job. I know it isn't, and I think they do an admirable and dangerous job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 :edit: assuming we are still talking about the postal service (or lack of it) Sack em all, give the jobs to people who have been made redundant and actually want jobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Sack em all, give the jobs to people who have been made redundant and actually want jobs! Now there's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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