JS2004 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 On the posties side. A bold move, but if you dont stand up for yourself who will? people here are quick to condemn them.. but personally I think they do a great job. If the worst does happen, and we loose the Royal Mail service.. I imagine we will see a lot of people complaining at these additional companies who compete for local contracts which ultimately goes to the cheapest company - and you pay for what you get. External companies tend to make unrealistic targets that they hit, but at the cost of a quality job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 this country is Sh!t lets face it! nothing is correct! i actually hate living in England and im not proud of being british either! Were a total embasasment! I bet 1/2 the world laugh at us! all the benifits, all the freebies to imagrants, our discusting tax's and this postal strike....it just goes on! Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 friend of mine is a postie been there for years and talking to him last week , he said he was fed up being treated like sh1te , young managers who have never delivered a letter in the p1ssing down rain in the middle of winter timing his rounds regardless of weather conditions . So what? Do farmers stay in bed when it's raining instead of milking the cows at 5am on a January morning? Same can be said of anyone working an outdoor job. It's called DUTY and SERVICE and sometimes you don't have a choice. The postmen need to wake up and get real. If they lose their jobs over this, someone else will just take them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 look at all the people that lost there jobs from companys goin bust! people are out there willing to work and HARD! and then these people take advantage of there jobs! and mess up the countrys post at the same time! sorry i wouldnt feel to great doin that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 All I know is during these hard times I will be glad that I have a job and won't moan about pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Man Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 you choose where you want to work, if you don't like the pay and some other place pay more then move on. Supply and demand for job should rule level of pay not union. privatization of post office lead to closure of post office....well, if there is demand for a post office then it will stay open because it is a business, you pay postage and it cover overhead. If the pay is low and people leave their post then post office will have to increase their wages naturally to get workers. Postman are hard workers but not exactly skilled or trade skilled is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 this country is Sh!t lets face it! nothing is correct! i actually hate living in England and im not proud of being british either! Were a total embasasment! I bet 1/2 the world laugh at us! all the benifits, all the freebies to imagrants, our discusting tax's and this postal strike....it just goes on! Paul Our education system is failing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Our education system is failing too. not only what me an u have said just look at the youth! im only 24 but all these kids between 14-18 just beating people up trying to be lil gangsters! coursing trouble and hardly anything is being done! its just madness! and all this complaining about it makes me feel like an old man! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 not only what me an u have said just look at the youth! im only 24 but all these kids between 14-18 just beating people up trying to be lil gangsters! coursing trouble and hardly anything is being done! its just madness! and all this complaining about it makes me feel like an old man! lol I think you missed the point Rob was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I'm more concerned by the bin men up here. 7 weeks without collecting the bins in places in Leeds. Shocking, honestly. Agreed. If privatised can't people go on strike? I suspect they still can and this changing from public to private and visa versa won't make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 Not the 1st time they are going on strike, there have been many strikes over the past few months, this I believe is the first of MANY nationwide strikes (120K workers). If I dont turn up for work, I dont get paid - perhaps in their case this is not so which is why they continue to throw their toys out of the pram. My understanding is that they are looking for More money (as usual) Refusing modernisation of the postal service (new sorting equipment etc) - due to fear of some people losing jobs) Think they are looking for a nice kustie job paying good money for the rest of their lives at the taxpayers expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 So what? Do farmers stay in bed when it's raining instead of milking the cows at 5am on a January morning? Same can be said of anyone working an outdoor job. It's called DUTY and SERVICE and sometimes you don't have a choice. The postmen need to wake up and get real. If they lose their jobs over this, someone else will just take them instead.mention farmers i dont think so , theyve been wingeing for years long before the miners and steel workers and each time get bailed out with subsidies , you and i pay for, totally different issue G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Silly idea striking. The same arguments from the union every time - modernisation - more hours, heavy loads etc etc. More and more companies are using couriers now, a few online suppliers i use have now started to do the same as the uncertainty of the strikes hits deliveries. What are the chances they will go back to the old royal mail after this ? The postal workers are sealing the end of their own jobs. Modernise or die its that simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Look, the entire economy and country is f*cked. Nothing we can do to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I don't agree with strikes in principle. It's employees trying to blackmail employers. However, if employers are trying to change conditions to such an extent that is "unfair" (a very wooly term, I agree!), then I'm not sure what choice they have apart from leaving to find another job. Postal delivery is a niche job, and there's only a relatively small number of firms who you could go to should you wish to stay in that field. From the BBC's quote below, the management's actions don't sound particularly unfair. I'm not sure that leaving to find new jobs would be beneficial to the public in the long run. If the Royal Mail is privatised, I have no doubt that postage costs will soar, only held in check by government subsidies in the transition from public to private ownership. £1 to deliver a normal letter is my guess. Why are the strikes taking place? At the heart of the latest dispute is the deal that the two sides signed to end the last national strike, the 2007 Pay and Modernisation Agreement. The CWU says that Royal Mail has carried out three of the four planned phases of that agreement with full and frank dialogue. It claims the company is refusing to talk to it about the final phase, how the roll-out of its modernisation plans would affect job security. One aspect of this modernisation involves the walk sequencing machine, a device which organises letters into the order the postmen and women will deliver them the next morning. The CWU fears the national roll-out of this machine will mean thousands of full-time jobs will go and that there will be a massive increase in the number of part-time workers. The CWU argues that even though it agreed in 2007 that jobs would need to be lost as part of the plan, specific details about the actual nature of the modernisations were unknown at that time. It claims that when Royal Mail stopped talking to staff or the unions about the long-term effects on job security, it had no choice but to threaten a strike in order to get discussions moving again. Royal Mail argues that it did not stop talking to the union about the future strategy of the business and says it will continue to involve the CWU in developing plans. It insists that where local staffing level changes are concerned, it has agreed that proposals should be transparent and that it has been discussing with the union how it can give people more confidence in this area. If the BBC are right, it sounds like they're not striking over pay. Onlookers tend to spout things like "greedy posties, they want more pay." Well, not in this case it seems. Those people should try to look into the facts before sounding off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Binmen, posties, firefighters... Sack the bloody lot of the work-shy picketing scum bag *%&$£#@, kill them with fire... Then get some of the thousands of people out of work who would actually willingly do those jobs instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Binmen, posties, firefighters... Sack the bloody lot of the work-shy picketing scum bag *%&$£#@, kill them with fire... Then get some of the thousands of people out of work who would actually willingly do those jobs instead. For once I agree with your sentiment, if not the delivery of it, apart from the Firefighters. Binmen, Posties, Ambulance Drivers (not Paramedics) are essentially unskilled labour - and for every job there's about 50 people that can do it. So, they can bollox off. However, Firefighters put their lives on the line pretty much everytime they go on a call - they can't be classed in the same way as the above. Let the posties go on strike, threaten them with dismissal and watch them get back to work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 wow great thought that is , , most of the people out of work , wouldnt last two minutes in any of the jobs you mentioned to hard for this pussy society we live in , to many people want it handed on a plate and do fxxx all for it , cant believe you mention firefighters , what a stupid statement that is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 wow great thought that is , , most of the people out of work , wouldnt last two minutes in any of the jobs you mentioned to hard for this pussy society we live in , to many people want it handed on a plate and do fxxx all for it , cant believe you mention firefighters , what a stupid statement that is . Please tell me you're reffering to the "Michael-wannabe", Thorin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 yes you posted just before me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 LOL! Good man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 F**king Post Office! We do quite a bit of mail order business. Usually come in to work to find 10-20 orders. This morning ONE!!! Can't think of any other reason for it apart from people not trusting the post. B4$+4RDS! Sack 'em all. Should be grateful to have a job these days. An awful lot of people don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSK Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Trouuble is many of us don't know the true ins and out sof it. I used to work for Royal Mail uptil just under 2 years ago. I had to leave as the company was a joke, managers are generally uneducated and not proper 'managers', work place is being filled with incompetent staff etc. In addition to this, around 2005/2006 the regulator tied Royal Mail's hands behind its back, company was given strict very unrealistic targets and the market was opened to competition that took all the big contract mail. The company has not recovered since then yet to date still processes the mail for its competitors. Drastic changes to employee duties have been made which are within reason but without warming the staff to the importance of the changes (they just went about it the wrong way and gave the union something to begin stirring). The union is a joke itself. They like to dictate direction for employees without 100% backing from the workforce and when things likes strike are in force, those that do not want to strike, will do so otherwise they will be harrassed/bullied/targeted after the strikes. Many of Royal Mails long serving, competent workers would hate these strikes, they would rather the management and union sort it all out whilst they get on with their work. The union, IMO, is a major hold back to Royal Mail. As for service, Royal Mails service for me is not great from a posters point. I have a lot of recorded/special delivery items go missing, its a nightmare to reclaim costs and when they are paid out it still leaves me heavily out of pocket despite having the correct valued insurance taken at time of postage. I'm looking to move to DHL/Citylink/FedEx for business use now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 wow great thought that is , , most of the people out of work , wouldnt last two minutes in any of the jobs you mentioned to hard for this pussy society we live in , to many people want it handed on a plate and do fxxx all for it , cant believe you mention firefighters , what a stupid statement that is . They strike at any excuse and potentially put more lives in danger than their own, the Police are not allowed to strike, why should they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 trouble is the likes of the general public dont know the full story , and make very quick assumtions to why what or whatever . stevie b and DSK , have highlighted a bit more of an insight into why . again going back to the chap i know he didnt want a strike , but equally wanted the managers to get the heads out of their arseholes and be realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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