Ian C Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 No, but you can build muscle mass while burning off lipids. Yes well that was probably just a stupid sweeping generalisation I made, in reaction to the ridiculous notion that "running is the worst fat burner evar", my apologies. And, while muscle does indeed weigh more for a given volume, they also require significantly more catabolic metabolism than other tissues (even when not in use). So, the result is that someone with a lot of muscle will always burn more calories than someone of equivalent weight who is basically fat. Consequently, weight training is always an important component of any calory control diet. I agree, all that makes sense, muscle is going to cost a lot more to run than lumps of fat. But the implication was that *building* the muscle up was the major benefit, not simply just having it, and that's what I didn't really agree with. You can build muscle up by doing a couple of sets of weights around, what is it, something like the "80% max" is it called? Anyway, do 12 and 12 adn 12 of some weights once a day, maybe twice, and you'll improve your muscles especially if they are as puny as my upper body But it'll not get you much in the way of calorie loss. Anyway I think we're wandering off into some more specialised discussions here. I just didn't want anyone thinking of running to be put off by someone saying it doesn't cause any fat loss and makes you look ill Everyone I know who has taken up running and stuck at it has lost weight, gained muscle definition, and is generally a happier person. It makes you feel good. Maybe not during, but certainly afterwards And for the record, my major weightloss took place when training for a half marathon - I was doing regular 60, 90, 120 minute runs and neglected speedwork so much my sustainable pace actually dropped off slightly. So, er, "I guarantee it isn't just steady pace long distance running." - can I have my guarantee refund please? And, be warned, me being me I've got a spreadsheet of every run I've ever done, date, distance, route, what I experienced, and weight. So I think I can back up what *I'm* talking about... -Ian PS I can lose 1.8kg in water after a long run, how scary is that, that's more than yer average big bottle of mineral water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I agree with IanC and Mike. Nearly five stone lost now. Healthier, happier and thinner than I've been in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratty Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Anyway, do 12 and 12 adn 12 of some weights once a day, maybe twice, and you'll improve your muscles especially if they are as puny as my upper body But it'll not get you much in the way of calorie loss. Wrong. Due to the fact that you will continue to burn calories up to 48hrs after a weights session, it is more beneficial for weight loss And for the record, my major weightloss took place when training for a half marathon - I was doing regular 60, 90, 120 minute runs and neglected speedwork so much my sustainable pace actually dropped off slightly. So, er, "I guarantee it isn't just steady pace long distance running." - can I have my guarantee refund please? But that still doesnt answer the question how you built such dominant leg muscles just by running long distance. It is impossible to do. You probably had big legs before running and the drop in bodyfat simply made them more defined and therefore they look bigger without actually gaining size. And, be warned, me being me I've got a spreadsheet of every run I've ever done, date, distance, route, what I experienced, and weight. So I think I can back up what *I'm* talking about... -Ian PS I can lose 1.8kg in water after a long run, how scary is that, that's more than yer average big bottle of mineral water Yeah, when I ran in Singapore I lost 6lbs in weight from loss of water. Its surprizing just how much you can lose. Anyway, good luck with the running. Make sure to have a good warm-up and cool-downafter each session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Rendar Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I think you win the quoting prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 On some science show a few months back they showed that the body continues to burn calories up to 24 hours after even a gentle run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 After eating Fray Bentos meat pies your body continues to burn calories for the rest of your life, if not longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 My father in law uses Alexandra in Pompey for his gear, so I'll have a chat later when he comes round, probably go with him to find some shoes. Losing weight is secondary to training Loki in harness, this is all as a cheap alternative to buying a rig/scooter so I'm not going to go mad. Another problem I have is a seem to be getting a bit of plantar fasciitis type pain in my soles, probably since walking Loki every morning, so I'm hoping getting good shoes will help stop that getting any worse as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 My father in law uses Alexandra in Pompey for his gear, so I'll have a chat later when he comes round, probably go with him to find some shoes. Mate, you don't need to - when you get there if there isn't a shoes fitting person available they'll give you a ticket. Then when you get one they will take you through the whole thing. It takes about an hour. They measure your feet, have you walking up and down bare foot, running up and down.. all sorts.. It's probably the best customer experience of anything I've ever had. The place rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Yeah Alexandra sport are very good, they fitted me out for my trainers too, oh and don't forget to invest in some decent socks too. I've been training for the Great South Run for a few months now (big day tomorrow, gulp!!) and I've gone from not being able to run 100 yards without having to stop and walk, to having run 9.5 miles without a break. I've lost 3 stone during this experience and my life has changed completely, I've gone from a lazy slob to a guy who spends an hour in the gym every morning before work, running a minimum of a mile every day, it's been remarkably easy to do too which has suprised me no end. It's starting and keeping it up for the first couple of weeks that was the hard part, after that it just becomes part of your normal routine. I now feel crap if I've not gone to the gym in the morning! Now I'm still a hefty size, down to just over 17 stone now and 6ft 2", not exactly built for running, but the weight is starting to drop off me now at a decent pace and I'm starting to like the look of my body again. For me motivation has been a huge key to my regime. I entered the run and set myself up to run for a charity, I set myself a target and have tried my best to get to it. I've so far raised £2577 for the Brain & Spine Foundation, a charity close to my heart. Though once the event has passed tomorrow I see myself continuing on with it as I really do enjoy it and feel so much better for it. No doubt it's added a few years to my life too. Good luck with your training Trev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Good luck Peejay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I've so far raised £2577 for the Brain & Spine Foundation, a charity close to my heart. Though once the event has passed tomorrow I see myself continuing on with it as I really do enjoy it and feel so much better for it. No doubt it's added a few years to my life too. Good luck with your training Trev Inspiring, changing your lifestyle for the better and giving to others, top work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 24, 2009 Author Share Posted October 24, 2009 Nice one PJ, my father in law was supposed to be running tomorrow but they've had a family emergency and he probably won't be now. I think he was doing it for guide dogs. I'll try to get into Alexandra tomorrow if I can as the missus will probably be with her dad, and it should be pretty quiet in there with everyone at the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Well I got my shoes, I'm a severe over-pronator as I thought. They gave me some nice looking trail runners by Brooks. Did a bit of a jog this morning with the dog but need to get into some proper running on my own really. Father in law did a 1h32m at the great south run as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Which Brooks did you get? I'm a mild over-pronator and got some Switch. I find them a bit weighty and they 'die' in about 250 miles. My Asics Gell 1140s on the other hand are much light, just as supportive and despite being far more work than the Brooks are still okay to run in. Just. TBH though I should buy a new pair this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhicks22 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Do any of you guys run in the mornings? I've only tried it once - in my lead up to doing the Great North Run last month and it was horrible. I felt ill the entire time and felt pretty rubbish all morning at work, too. Just wondering if anyone else has had a similar thing and overcame it in any particular way? I should probably just try different combinations of food/drink before and during but thought I'd ask anyway. I haven't run since I did a 10k the week after the GNR. I really want to start running again but I have so much on in the evenings I can't really dedicate the time to it. If I can do it in the morning though, it will solve all my problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I can run in the mornings. I usually get up, have a banana and some water and then get dressed slowly. By the time I'm done I'm usually fully awake and ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I can run in the mornings. I usually get up, have a banana and some water and then get dressed slowly. By the time I'm done I'm usually fully awake and ready to go. Oh, you tease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Which Brooks did you get? I'm a mild over-pronator and got some Switch. I find them a bit weighty and they 'die' in about 250 miles. Brooks Adrenaline ASR 6 (apparently). They were the lightest of the ones I tried on and felt the best - although now I feel like the left one is digging into my arch a bit too much, maybe I just need to get used to the support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I can't run for sh*t in the morning, I hate it. Evenings for me, shame all the long events are in the morning Apparently it takes 2 weeks to adapt to running in the morning. I tried it twice and my body was just going "Wait, what? 20 minutes ago I was asleep? Is there a tiger after us?" Does everyone over-pronate I know I do. I think I've got Asics as well, they are light and comfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Does everyone over-pronate I know I do. I think I've got Asics as well, they are light and comfy. No. My dad is a 'neutral' runner. There's a whole world of awesome shoes out there tantalisingly close but forever to remain away from our feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 No. My dad is a 'neutral' runner. There's a whole world of awesome shoes out there tantalisingly close but forever to remain away from our feet. I'm just happy I've got some shoes that are starting to feel 'right' for once - unfortunately I now hate my work shoes and general old trainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I tried it twice and my body was just going "Wait, what? 20 minutes ago I was asleep? Is there a tiger after us?" Very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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