Raw meat, Chicken.

[tbourner]

Can anyone give me some science about what is so dangerous about raw meat - specifically chicken?

We get adverts on TV about cleaners that kill your raw chicken germs so your husband won't get meat-pie-belly at the football! So what actually happens?

 

I knew someone who ate raw chicken in front of me (he died, but that's a different story), he didn't get food poisoning or salmonella or anything.

 

Some people say it's the warming that brings out the germs, so raw chicken in the fridge is OK, and fully cooked chicken is Ok, but pink chicken will kill you to death? Why's that?

Is that also why you absolutely must not ever mix cooked and raw meat? Cos the 'safe' germs in the raw meat will meet up with the 'safe' germs in the cooked meat and somehow start up some 'bad' food poisoning group of nasty killer germs?

 

 

I get the feeling it's all a bit like ESD, something made up to cover the idiots in this world who can't handle a simple rule, so they have to be fully governed. I'm sure if you know where the meat is from it's safe no matter what you do with it?

[Nic]

I've eaten raw chicken's liver in Japan, it tasted clucking fantastic and melted in your mouth.

[cheekymonkey]

I've eaten raw chicken's liver in Japan, it tasted clucking fantastic and melted in your mouth.

 

So was this before your extended hospital stay?

 

Seriously Nic it's good have you back hope you are well

[Lbm]

Apparently Americans now eat one million chickens per hour.

 

Granted it doesn't help with the Op's quest for poultry knowledge, but it is a chicken related fact.

[Nic]

So was this before your extended hospital stay?

 

Seriously Nic it's good have you back hope you are well

 

Thanks

 

It was around 5 years ago, I'd eat it again, but ONLY in Japan where food preparation is an art form.

[Ark]

Well, cooking is supposed to kill the bacteria and other nasties like tricinosis (SP?) worms in pork, or other worms in beef. If you keep raw meat with cooked meat, the bacteria will spread from one to the other, effectively infecting the cooked meat which people expect to be able to just grab and eat. The problem is that supermarkets don't necessarily get foods into cold storage fast enough; shoppers then pick up products which hang around in trolleys, then car boots for ages...all this time the food is warming up, the bacteria goes on a breeding frenzy and bosh - there's enough of them to give you food poisening.

 

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with eating raw meats, but there's so much poor quality crap around, combined with peoples poor food handling that it's not considered safe.

[RedM]

Apparently Americans now eat one million chickens per hour.

 

No wonder they're so fat. How do they find time to get any wars done?

[Lbm]

No wonder they're so fat. How do they find time to get any wars done?

 

This is where Colonel Sanders comes in.

[dangerous brain]

The dutch and germans eat alot of raw meat products which is why their toilets are designed differently to ours. They have a shelf in their toilet that they crap onto. They can then inspect the doo-doo for worms before flushing---NOICE

[Scott]

As long as you soak the raw chicken in bleach before you eat it you will be fine. Go for the non-scented stuff. Don't want to ruin the flavour.

[AJI]

E-coli and other nasty bacteria exist in uncooked meat.....doesn't it?

[foodfreak]

some basic info here

 

http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/SGM/sgmbugs2.html

[tbourner]

Well, cooking is supposed to kill the bacteria and other nasties like tricinosis (SP?) worms in pork, or other worms in beef. If you keep raw meat with cooked meat, the bacteria will spread from one to the other, effectively infecting the cooked meat which people expect to be able to just grab and eat. The problem is that supermarkets don't necessarily get foods into cold storage fast enough; shoppers then pick up products which hang around in trolleys, then car boots for ages...all this time the food is warming up, the bacteria goes on a breeding frenzy and bosh - there's enough of them to give you food poisening.

 

If you freeze meat it kills all the nasties though? So what about putting frozen meat with cooked meat? Is that safe?

 

And what's the deal with pink chicken? Surely it's cooked enough to kill stuff? If there was no bacteria on it to start with (frozen) then it was cooked before being thawed so ends up pink - that would be OK to eat wouldn't it? Where could nasties possibly come from?

[foodfreak]

Freezing only suspends bacteria it does not kill them.

 

you need a minimum of 73C for 3 minutes to kill most bacteria.

Some bacterial spores can survive for far longer than this.

 

Allways asume that ALL meat is contaminated & cook accordingly, the only exception to this would be solid pieces of meat e.g leg of lamb ( not de-boned), steaks etc.

Chicken being the exception here as All the chicken meat can be contaminated

[RedM]

Stop eating meat. Simples.

[tbourner]

Stop eating meat. Simples.

 

That doesn't help when I'm feeding the dog raw chicken carcasses though - I have to touch them at some point!

[foodfreak]

I've allways been told not to give chicken bones to dogs because they can splinter into very sharp shards & get stuck in their throats

[tbourner]

I've allways been told not to give chicken bones to dogs because they can splinter into very sharp shards & get stuck in their throats

 

Yes they do, you should NEVER give your dog ANY bones from your plate or KFC or whatever because they WILL splinter, and there's quite a large chance they will get stuck somewhere on their journey.

 

Raw chicken bones however are very soft in comparison and DO NOT splinter, there is still a chance of choking obviously but it's a hell of a lot less than with cooked bones. NEVER GIVE A DOG COOKED BONES!!!!

(NB: If you're feeding your cat bones it's far less likely to cause issues, because cats are incapable of choking unless they have medical problems - they are very clever in the way they make sure their food is chewed thoroughly).

[Snooze]

(NB: If you're feeding your cat bones it's far less likely to cause issues, because cats are incapable of choking unless they have medical problems - they are very clever in the way they make sure their food is chewed thoroughly.

 

That doesn't strike me as demonstrating that cats are clever; more that dogs are stupid.

[tbourner]

True.

 

//edit: Although people choke, so we are just as stupid. In fact I'm pretty sure felines are the only animals that don't choke because they chew properly.

[Scott]

That doesn't strike me as demonstrating that cats are clever; more that dogs are stupid.

 

Cats are far thicker than dogs, they have much much better instinct than dogs though. Most of what a cat does in its day to day life is based on instinct and not learning. A dog is the opposite.

 

I didn't know that cats were unlikely to choke, will need to tell the wifey this as my cats love a half chicken carcass from the chinese but she always panics.

[martini]

I've eaten raw chicken's liver in Japan, it tasted clucking fantastic and melted in your mouth.

 

Ditto.

 

Raw horse is good too.

 

The fact we don't kill and eat immediately often means that things need nitrogen flushing or boiling/cooking to kill the bacteria.

[tbourner]

I didn't know that cats were unlikely to choke, will need to tell the wifey this as my cats love a half chicken carcass from the chinese but she always panics.

 

As long as it's RAW!! I wouldn't trust a cat with cooked bones even though they chew more thoroughly, the bones will still splinter and could stilll cause issues.

[tbourner]

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with eating raw meats, but there's so much poor quality crap around, combined with peoples poor food handling that it's not considered safe.

The raw we get for Loki is free range from Farmers Choice butchers, but it's not always frozen it's usually chilled and we freeze it.

 

Freezing only suspends bacteria it does not kill them.

-18C or less for more than ~16hours is supposed kill all worms, but I don't know about bacteria. Obviously the dog's not affected by bacteria so it's only me picking it up for him that I need to worry about.

 

Allways asume that ALL meat is contaminated & cook accordingly, the only exception to this would be solid pieces of meat e.g leg of lamb ( not de-boned), steaks etc.

Chicken being the exception here as All the chicken meat can be contaminated

So that's why steaks can be cooked medium or rare? But chicken must be white throughout.

[martini]

If you have your own chicken, and kill it - you could eat it raw.

 

People buy things in supermarkets. After xx days in shrinkwrap bacteria get to work.