michael Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Group-set-upon-driver-in.5618585.jp Combine this with: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8233822.stm It's time for a kiddy cull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Bring back National Service 16-18 year olds....little f**kers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Would it be pay per view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterSheen Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Bring back National Service 16-18 year olds....little f**kers Put them out in Afghanistan on service, and see if they're so big then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I blame the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 And it's time for parents to give a sh*t what their spawn get up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I'm numb to any shock nowadays. Absolutely nothing surprises me. If the first lot keep that up for long enough they will get whats coming to them, they will eventually cross the wrong guy. The parents of those brothers should be going to jail along with their scrote children. I say swap out known abused children with these 2 and see how they get on. A lot of "abuse" is in fact over stepping the mark during discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Put them out in Afghanistan on service, and see if they're so big then! Indeed. But I would feel safer with them on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 A result of banning smacking and the cane in schools? The lefities have alot to answer for:( Still, sit them on the naughty step for five minutes and it'll all be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Bring back police brutality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterSheen Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Indeed. But I would feel safer with them on the other side. Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Garfy Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I hope they get suitable punishment, its about time kids like this were made responsible for their own actions, they know what they are doing, and they know they can get away with it because oour society protects them because they are inocent children, my arse!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I blame the parents. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 A result of banning smacking and the cane in schools? We were talking about this last night, could they bring back punishments in schools like that and would people accept it now or is it too far the right way? I think parents now are too protective of their kids and where 40 years ago they would have told Police to lock them away for the night if they did wrong, if an officer brought a kid back home now for some reason they're likely to get shouted at themselves!! Basically the kids know nothing can be done, the missus saw kids yesterday on flat garage roofs as they usually are jumping around making noise, a PCSO told them to get down and they just shouted obseneties at him cos he's 'not a real policeman', my mate in the force has had kids saying he can't do anything cos they're under 16 and don't have criminal liability!!!!! It seems these are the lengths kids have to go now to get any kind of punishment - they've tested the limits and this is what they've found. Kids test limits as a part of growing up, if they don't have any limits set for them they WILL go to these extremes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 I blame the parents. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2621625/Hell-boys-pair-saw-slasher-films-at-6.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Bring back National Service 16-18 year olds....little f**kers 100% agree. IF they can't contribute to society in any way, send them to war as mine detectors. For every 100 mines they find they get a 24hours off work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I think it's a cop out to blanket blame parents, from what i can see these issues started increasing as (lefty types/Government) decided to empower kids, also information about how unaccountable kids are is widely available in all media. Kids now know they can't really be punished, but if you a law abiding citizen tries to stop said kids doing anything, in any remotely threatening way you may well be punished, so by the time there is any form of check on these kids by the law they're too far down the line. Don't get me wrong, a lot of parents are to blame, but the changing of society is the real cause of these problems. P.S. I would love to see National service back, not a pc version of it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Kids test limits as a part of growing up, if they don't have any limits set for them they WILL go to these extremes. A good point Trev. As you also suggested, not many people seem to respect any authoritative figure these days. Police? Pah, their hands are tied by red tape. Teachers? Even more so, what can a teacher realistically if a child misbehaves badly? Get told to sit outside the headmaster's office? Then when the parents get told about it, they'll rock up and argue the toss with the teacher and/or headmaster. What I've said here is well-covered ground, but what can we as society do about it? Lobby parliament for changes in laws? Would that really work? Take corporal punishment for example. I don't know if that would help things, but let's say it would for argument's sake. Part of the obstacle of going back to how things were is that there will be some kids who will be in a worse situation if corporal punishment were brought back (e.g. a minority of teachers abusing their powers). These "worse-offs" seem to have a veto on any change that could be brought about, which is a shame. Yes, there will always be rogue people in society (be that teachers, coppers, kids) who abuse their rights and powers, but by pulling all the teeth out of the laws in an effort to protect people against those rogue elements, the vast majority of people suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 IF they can't contribute to society in any way, send them to war as mine detectors. For every 100 mines they find they get a 24hours off work. Ed for PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Indeed. But I would feel safer with them on the other side. National Taliban Service?? I hope they get suitable punishment, its about time kids like this were made responsible for their own actions, they know what they are doing, and they know they can get away with it because oour society protects them because they are inocent children, my arse!!! They won't though will they? The bottom line here is that there is NO deterrant..!! Even when I was a kid I knew that if I got caught doing whatever, I expected to get a bollocking and that would be that. I class myself as being brought up reasonably well with two responsible parents with good jobs etc. I knew right from wrong but we were bored/easily led etc. Between being 10 and 16 I got up to all kinds of stuff but luckily never got caught, as a group we would think nothing of breaking to odd window in a derilict building or pinching peoples wheelie bins etc. Even though, we were a bunch of little bastards, we never do anything violent towards a member of the public. If a bloke shouted "Oi" we'd be off like a shot, shitting ourselves...!! The problem is now that the game has moved on. Kids grow up quicker and know the system that they are dealing with. They know that they cannot really get into serious trouble unless they kill someone... Even 10 years ago when I was a bobbie, I was amazed how confident the kids were with the Police, especially when they were in a group. Now, the stakes are raised with gang mentality and the battle to be "top dog" in the group. The more extreme and violent the crime, the more "respect" they think they get from their peers. None of them will consider that they will have to grow up at some point, most now don't..!! You have 30 year old men hanging around shops with 16 - 18 year olds with no hope of getting themselves out of this problem. They have a drink and take out their frustrations on members of the public... Until the big stick comes into play, the downward spiral of social decline will continue... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendswraith Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 This has more to do with political correctness etc than anything else. The powers that be are more interested in playing politick, and this includes every department from traffic wardens to the chiefs of staff. If you want to get on in a career then you are expected to toe the party line and be all pink and fluffy. Examples such as excuses being made for criminals because they had a bad childhood or being allowed to plead the race card to get away with things are shocking. If there is going to be a shake up of ethics and morals it needs to start at the top with the goverment and everyone needs to be treated equally regardless of standing/race/class/wealth. I also think that anyone in a position of authority who breaks the law should suffer a multiplication factor on the tariff, to help root out corruption. As for these kids they will get the same as Jamie Bulgers killers, a nice time in a prison, good schooling, then a change of identity and a hand out to help them with their lives, and that is ludicrous. If we left a few of these criminals living in fear of retribution for the rest of their lives perhaps it might be a bit more of a discouragement. On the issue of National service, no thanks i was in the mob and there are enough useless muppets causing problems without sending us the dross of society too. Now if we are talking a penal batallion a bit like the French did then i am all for it. Daylight charges over the minefields and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 On the issue of National service, no thanks i was in the mob and there are enough useless muppets causing problems without sending us the dross of society too. Now if we are talking a penal batallion a bit like the French did then i am all for it. Daylight charges over the minefields and all that Ive heard this view numerous times, and i understand it, I would like to see separate camps for them, they would not be sent to war, unless they were broken in after a few years, and promoted to the camps normal kids started at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Put them out in Afghanistan on service, and see if they're so big then! I agree with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Ive heard this view numerous times, and i understand it, I would like to see separate camps for them, they would not be sent to war, unless they were broken in after a few years, and promoted to the camps normal kids started at. ...and this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I agree with that! Why not just pray for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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