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I stopped watching after 28 seconds.... nothing appeared out of ....potential..... well my bowel or special K has POTENTIAL to re-fill its self.. but it still never does.... since when has 'potential' been a valid scientific attribute.

 

When I look at the human body, space, the world around me... I can only come to 1 conclusion, there must be a creator... whether he started the big bang or not... i dont know... but I will one day :)

 

Ever heard of potential energy? It is a very VALID scientific term. As far as it is being used here well that is a different theory....

 

True, there has to be some creation 'thing' which put it all together at some point in the universe, however I don't believe it is the human derived deities that are responsible for it.

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Ever heard of potential energy? It is a very VALID scientific term. As far as it is being used here well that is a different theory....

 

True, there has to be some creation 'thing' which put it all together at some point in the universe, however I don't believe it is the human derived deities that are responsible for it.

 

Do all religious people deliberately misunderstand scientific terms and their usage all the time or is something they reserve for internet forums?

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Do all religious people deliberately misunderstand scientific terms and their usage all the time or is something they reserve for internet forums?

 

All the time.

 

I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins, and it absolutely and unequivocally rips to bits every single argument for a god. It's ace.

 

Only trouble is, you can't reason with religious people. They may as well say "two plus two equals five and no matter what evidence or proof you put my way I shall ignore it as it's a matter of faith". Depressing :(

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All the time.

 

I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins, and it absolutely and unequivocally rips to bits every single argument for a god. It's ace.

 

Only trouble is, you can't reason with religious people. They may as well say "two plus two equals five and no matter what evidence or proof you put my way I shall ignore it as it's a matter of faith". Depressing :(

 

I enjoyed Dawkins' book, but I believe Tannhauser thought it was poorly written IIRC :D

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Subjective one sided view as ever Ian, so why not read "The Dawkins delusion" by Alister McGrath -author, studied chemistry and molecular biophysics at Oxford university.

Gives as different side of the story, as least some of us read both sides before you become "pope of atheists".

 

A different side indeed, not forgetting lining his own pockets on the back of the success of Dawkins' book. :)

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I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins, and it absolutely and unequivocally rips to bits every single argument for a god. It's ace.

 

Subjective one sided view as ever Ian, so why not read "The Dawkins delusion" by Alister McGrath -author, studied chemistry and molecular biophysics at Oxford university.

Gives as different side of the story, as least some of us read both sides before you become "pope of atheists".

 

Both added to my Amazon list. I've put off the Dawkins book for sometime now. Mr. C. Groovers recommendation sounds like an ideal reason to buy both.

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Both added to my Amazon list. I've put off the Dawkins book for sometime now. Mr. C. Groovers recommendation sounds like an ideal reason to buy both.

 

Careful. Mr groover may start dissin' the bible and then where will you be?

 

Ultimately does it really matter? Believe what you want, you'll be dead soon anyway...

 

That's the spirit!

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Ultimately does it really matter? Believe what you want, you'll be dead soon anyway...

 

Do you want to buy my book? It's called the CR delusion and in it I set out to dispove the existence of a certain Porsche and how that relates to a certain owner.

 

He believes it but I conjecture that there is no physical evidence of it's existence.

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Both added to my Amazon list. I've put off the Dawkins book for sometime now. Mr. C. Groovers recommendation sounds like an ideal reason to buy both.

 

Just Amazoned (I'm claiming that after I let Googled slip by me) them and noticed this:

 

God Delusion - 460ish pages

Dawkins Delusion - 90ish pages.

 

Hmmmm......but I shall try to remain open-minded.:D

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Just Amazoned (I'm claiming that after I let Googled slip by me) them and noticed this:

 

God Delusion - 460ish pages

Dawkins Delusion - 90ish pages.

 

Hmmmm......but I shall try to remain open-minded.:D

 

More a pamphlet than a book then?

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A different side indeed, not forgetting lining his own pockets on the back of the success of Dawkins' book. :)

 

Doubt he will earn the £££ Dawkins has or any where near it.

The continued run of evolutionary books make vast sums of money.

 

Now as we are getting into a objective and more fair minded outlook, surely the place to be would be would be listening to Dawkins and Lennox arguing out their points. Such a DVD exists, called "The God Delusion" debate. Richard Dawkins, scientist, author, and atheist, VS John Lennox scientist, author and theologian, both pretty equal eductaion wise, friends, who dont slag each others beliefs out of respect, alough they do crack the odd well pointed joke to one another. Both of Oxford Uni

The debate is chaired by a senior USA judge. 112 mins, made in 2007.

Be warned, Dawkins admits "we have no idea how the universe started", which is a long throw from what he was saying 10 years before, but honest of him never the less.

Dawkins answers do go on a bit, but thats his form.

How does it turn out? you can watch and make your own mind up.

 

And to those firing snide comments my way in this thread, considered sectarian on this side of the pond, cut it out, as i could respond with taunts of eugenics, Galton etc, but that just lowers my reasoning to your level.

 

My objective outlook remains, I still look on a regular basis at the "evolving" (ha ha i used it) debate as science continues to learn, stumble and re learn in every direction.

 

I however was saddened to read "Slaughter of the dissidents" volume one by Dr Jerry Bergman which highlights the career destroying antics of the pro Darwin eduction and scientific workplaces who openly discriminate against the Darwin doubters.

 

BTW the most senior Darwin doubters were once big time Darwin belivers, very well scientifically educated, and now authors of many books.

 

The main difference between creation science and evolutionary science that i have noticed is evolutionary science is more loaded with assumptions, not hard facts, and despite the geological evidence of a global flood, choose to ignore it completely.

 

If thats what rocks their boat then so be it. I find most opponents of creation science know little about it, and subjectively dismiss it, without proper investigation. This is a similar situation with the pro and anti amalgam debate. Very interesting one it is.

 

I stay open minded, thats why i still read both sides of the argument.

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