JustGav Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I stopped watching after 28 seconds.... nothing appeared out of ....potential..... well my bowel or special K has POTENTIAL to re-fill its self.. but it still never does.... since when has 'potential' been a valid scientific attribute. When I look at the human body, space, the world around me... I can only come to 1 conclusion, there must be a creator... whether he started the big bang or not... i dont know... but I will one day Ever heard of potential energy? It is a very VALID scientific term. As far as it is being used here well that is a different theory.... True, there has to be some creation 'thing' which put it all together at some point in the universe, however I don't believe it is the human derived deities that are responsible for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 23, 2009 Author Share Posted August 23, 2009 i dont know... but I will one day :rlol::rlol: until snot comes out of my ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 23, 2009 Author Share Posted August 23, 2009 Ever heard of potential energy? It is a very VALID scientific term. As far as it is being used here well that is a different theory.... True, there has to be some creation 'thing' which put it all together at some point in the universe, however I don't believe it is the human derived deities that are responsible for it. Do all religious people deliberately misunderstand scientific terms and their usage all the time or is something they reserve for internet forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Do all religious people deliberately misunderstand scientific terms and their usage all the time or is something they reserve for internet forums? Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 God created us...simples. Interesting theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do all religious people deliberately misunderstand scientific terms and their usage all the time or is something they reserve for internet forums? All the time. I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins, and it absolutely and unequivocally rips to bits every single argument for a god. It's ace. Only trouble is, you can't reason with religious people. They may as well say "two plus two equals five and no matter what evidence or proof you put my way I shall ignore it as it's a matter of faith". Depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins( I think I'm going to have to grab a copy of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 All the time. I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins, and it absolutely and unequivocally rips to bits every single argument for a god. It's ace. Only trouble is, you can't reason with religious people. They may as well say "two plus two equals five and no matter what evidence or proof you put my way I shall ignore it as it's a matter of faith". Depressing I enjoyed Dawkins' book, but I believe Tannhauser thought it was poorly written IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I created the universe 15 billion years ago, and when people say 14 billion it really gets up my nose! The first billion years is the hardest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm an evolutionary creationist, but I'm also a bit of an indirect realist, which creates some pretty crazy paradoxical conundrums in my psyche!! //edit: the matrix has you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Subjective one sided view as ever Ian, so why not read "The Dawkins delusion" by Alister McGrath -author, studied chemistry and molecular biophysics at Oxford university. Gives as different side of the story, as least some of us read both sides before you become "pope of atheists". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Subjective one sided view as ever Ian, so why not read "The Dawkins delusion" by Alister McGrath -author, studied chemistry and molecular biophysics at Oxford university. Gives as different side of the story, as least some of us read both sides before you become "pope of atheists". A different side indeed, not forgetting lining his own pockets on the back of the success of Dawkins' book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm currently reading the God Delusion by Mr Dawkins, and it absolutely and unequivocally rips to bits every single argument for a god. It's ace. Subjective one sided view as ever Ian, so why not read "The Dawkins delusion" by Alister McGrath -author, studied chemistry and molecular biophysics at Oxford university. Gives as different side of the story, as least some of us read both sides before you become "pope of atheists". Both added to my Amazon list. I've put off the Dawkins book for sometime now. Mr. C. Groovers recommendation sounds like an ideal reason to buy both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ultimately does it really matter? Believe what you want, you'll be dead soon anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Both added to my Amazon list. I've put off the Dawkins book for sometime now. Mr. C. Groovers recommendation sounds like an ideal reason to buy both. Careful. Mr groover may start dissin' the bible and then where will you be? Ultimately does it really matter? Believe what you want, you'll be dead soon anyway... That's the spirit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ultimately does it really matter? Believe what you want, you'll be dead soon anyway... You'd never be a pioneer would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 not forgetting lining his own pockets on the back of the success of Dawkins' book. Heaven forbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ultimately does it really matter? Believe what you want, you'll be dead soon anyway... Do you want to buy my book? It's called the CR delusion and in it I set out to dispove the existence of a certain Porsche and how that relates to a certain owner. He believes it but I conjecture that there is no physical evidence of it's existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 Both added to my Amazon list. I've put off the Dawkins book for sometime now. Mr. C. Groovers recommendation sounds like an ideal reason to buy both. Just Amazoned (I'm claiming that after I let Googled slip by me) them and noticed this: God Delusion - 460ish pages Dawkins Delusion - 90ish pages. Hmmmm......but I shall try to remain open-minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Just Amazoned (I'm claiming that after I let Googled slip by me) them and noticed this: God Delusion - 460ish pages Dawkins Delusion - 90ish pages. Hmmmm......but I shall try to remain open-minded. More a pamphlet than a book then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 More a pamphlet than a book then? God knows! Did you see what I did there? Comedy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 God knows! Did you see what I did there? Comedy gold. It's perfectly true. You are on fire this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's perfectly true. You are on fire this afternoon. Literally! I've just been struck by lighting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Literally! I've just been struck by lighting!! Perhaps Chiefgroover is right? Believe brother. Believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 A different side indeed, not forgetting lining his own pockets on the back of the success of Dawkins' book. Doubt he will earn the £££ Dawkins has or any where near it. The continued run of evolutionary books make vast sums of money. Now as we are getting into a objective and more fair minded outlook, surely the place to be would be would be listening to Dawkins and Lennox arguing out their points. Such a DVD exists, called "The God Delusion" debate. Richard Dawkins, scientist, author, and atheist, VS John Lennox scientist, author and theologian, both pretty equal eductaion wise, friends, who dont slag each others beliefs out of respect, alough they do crack the odd well pointed joke to one another. Both of Oxford Uni The debate is chaired by a senior USA judge. 112 mins, made in 2007. Be warned, Dawkins admits "we have no idea how the universe started", which is a long throw from what he was saying 10 years before, but honest of him never the less. Dawkins answers do go on a bit, but thats his form. How does it turn out? you can watch and make your own mind up. And to those firing snide comments my way in this thread, considered sectarian on this side of the pond, cut it out, as i could respond with taunts of eugenics, Galton etc, but that just lowers my reasoning to your level. My objective outlook remains, I still look on a regular basis at the "evolving" (ha ha i used it) debate as science continues to learn, stumble and re learn in every direction. I however was saddened to read "Slaughter of the dissidents" volume one by Dr Jerry Bergman which highlights the career destroying antics of the pro Darwin eduction and scientific workplaces who openly discriminate against the Darwin doubters. BTW the most senior Darwin doubters were once big time Darwin belivers, very well scientifically educated, and now authors of many books. The main difference between creation science and evolutionary science that i have noticed is evolutionary science is more loaded with assumptions, not hard facts, and despite the geological evidence of a global flood, choose to ignore it completely. If thats what rocks their boat then so be it. I find most opponents of creation science know little about it, and subjectively dismiss it, without proper investigation. This is a similar situation with the pro and anti amalgam debate. Very interesting one it is. I stay open minded, thats why i still read both sides of the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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