Guest Usmann A Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Hi all, I was wondering whether anybody on here was a Physiothreapist, as I seem to have seperated my shoulder, but I think it is a grade 1 injury. I have been to see a private for a few sessions to get my tendonitis down, but I have also rounded both shoulder? All apprectied!! Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Eep. Get well soon fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 thanks Bobs. im in mode ATM, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Yeah im a Physio mate but ill neeed a bit more info of what happened to give you any advice. Tell me exactly how it happened, what you were doing, how you did it/landed, what you felt and heard, any swelling (not in the morning ), redness etc etc. Also what people in A+E/Physio clinic said. Might be able to offer some assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Right, it all happend during a pressup, I took the weight of my arms, bicepp and put it on my shoulder and heard a rip. I then carried on training until I could not no more. I then only used my right arm, and caused tendonitis in both shoulders. lots of cracking.lot of imflammation. Saw physio, she cured the tendonitis, and done a ultrasound on both arms. Once I was feeling back to normal, my AC joint started to hurt on my injured arm. and everytime I raise it I get a slight crack from the surrounding ligaments etc. she said my posture was bad, I have rounded shoulders, and my lower back needs strenghening to counteract this. Now my joint doesnt hurt as much, but feels weird, if I start my normal practise(I Box ameuter) it begins to hurt. After reading loads of sites,im thinking I have arthuritis, and my shoulder has a slight grade 1 seperation. The pain comes from the top of the AC joint, I can press on it. But I have 100% movement..... when I bring my arms in, ie, tuck in my elbows parralell to my waist, the AC joint,I feel a slight discomfort. Thanks for any info mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 very difficult without seeing it in early stages (how long ago are we talking). sounds to me like during the pressup you tore/strained one of the muscles in you Rotator Cuff (a group of 4 muscles that give your shoulder its stability) at the same time you probably subluxed (not as bad as a dislocation) your AC joint at the top of your shoulder. Because of the problems in your rotator cuff, this probably went unnoticed initially. Now the other symptoms have settled it will be starting to give you jip. If someone came to me with similar probs, i would start mobilising the AC joint. Basically this means pressing the joint from the top down, creating a bit of movement in the joint itself. Initially doing this on its own and after a few session including it during the movement of abduction (lifting arm out to side). Also id have them working the rotator cuff muscles to retrain them. Stuff like gentle pressups against the wall and static contractions of the main movements of the shoulder (Internal/External Rotation with the elbow bent to 90 degrees, forwards and backwards flexion). As i said above, due to the fact ive not actually seen you i cannot recommend the above to actually work for you, its just what i would do in a similar situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Thanks Gav, its nice to have a voice of someone who knows what they are doing, to a person in my situation. Right, the original injury was around early december, I carried on training through it until lat feb, early march. I apprecite your info. I had X rays done last week in case,it was seperated. How do you know when you have athritus(sp),and is sleeping on the floor better? thanks mate, where abouts u based? Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Shit U go get some professional help dude , if you in pain now wait till you get to my age !!!! , you look like a fit guy to me so it must be serious to worry you so much , give terry a call he seems pretty up on sports injuries , get well soon Dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Im based up North in Lancashire mate. tbh id be very surprised if you had arthritis as im assuming you are still young, fit and healthy if you are a boxer. If you've had a bad shoulder injury like this then you will inevitably get it one day, but not until youre about 60-70 i wouldnt have thought. Sleeping on the floor wouldnt make any difference in my opinion. Did the xray show what joint was "seperated"? there are a number of joints around the shoulder thats all. Sounds more like your AC joint though not the GH (main shoulder) joint. The only reason the GH joint would be out of position at this stage would be if the rotator cuff muscles were completely torn and not holding the joint in socket, and believe me you know if this had happened cos you wouldnt be able to move your arm. tbh, not wanting to nag, carrying on training wont ahve done it any good. Rotator cuff injuries can be nasty (if thats what it is, cant be sure without seeing you) if you dont let them settle down properly. Although as i said, that seems to have settled and the AC joint is prob the problem now. You need to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles though, cos the cracking you mentioned earlier might be abit of laxity in the muscles and ligaments. If you go to gym (not sparring, weights) ask one of the traiiners there and they will be able to show you some exercises for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 thanks dude, and gareth. Gareth, what if I told you my GH joint was cracking when I lifted my arms high to reach to the sky? slight small crack, and can feel movement, but no pain whatsoever? Yh, I have looked at exercises to strengthen up the cuff muslces,I know which ones you mean. Say I had athuritis, could I still likely carry on doing what I do? thanks alot Ali ps, thats a bit far from me mate. LOL pps, Yh Dude, just chattin to Tel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 The best thing for arthritis is exercise. It gets worse if the joint gets stiff, whereas keeping it moveing produces more of the joint's natural lubricant. However the high infact stuff of boxing will eventually lead to increase wear on the joint surface if the cuff muscles arent tightened/strengthened. I would ease off the boxing and high infact stuff (full pressups etc) until you retrain the cuff muscles and decrease the clicking (which to me sounds like either the muscles are weak, or at the other end of the spectrum, a tear in the Labrum (like a cartilage) inside the joint space). If this is the case you could prob do with getting a consultant to check it out. Your physio that you are seeing should be able to refer you onto a consultant if physio itself isnt getting anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi Gareth, Thanks for the advice, IM awaiting X ray results this week. I have stopped the high impact stuff for like 2 months now. Would a tear in the Labrum cause me movement difficulites? Suprisingly, what would you say if I said that the same sort of pain is on my right shoulder aswell? Eventhough I originally injuried my left, I kept training the left(like a idiot), until eventually I couldnt no more.(bad I know) I then switched over to train my right arm only, to which the physio now says is rounded pretty bad,thus why it catches sometimes? I know my muscles internally are gone weak as hell, eventhough the exterior muscle bulk is there,I can feel them shaking as I do wall pressups? Your help is greatly apprecited! Im going to change physios, im not happy with the current one. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 A tear in the labrum would make your shoudler quite unstable and explain the clicking you feel. In terms of pain, yeah i spose it would be quite painfull occasionally. you may just have chronically weak rotator cuffs and that is why you are experiencing the symnptoms on both sides. Id get it checked out by another physio and if no better after about 6-8 sessions, get referred onto a shoulder consultant who may want to scope it (keyhold surgery with a carmera) to see whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Ok, thank you very much for your time Gareth! I have been a pestering old nag, LOL,but I apprecite you taking the time out to help! thanks again! I hope I do not need surgery as its never the same again .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 No problem mate, ill send the bill via PM :rich: only messing. Glad i could help. i hope you dont need surgery as well but dont worry even if you do cos ive deal with people after surgery every day and believe me, its not as bad as people make out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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