geoffvalenti Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 setters and dalmations may be among the more extrovert breeds, and more of a challenge to train,. You ought to try a Weimaraner, they are super intelligent and headstrong to the extreme, I gave up with mine, and let him train me Chewing is natural behaviour - they just need to be given appropriate and safe items to chew Dogs that "destroy" inappropriate household objects are invariably lonely and bored witless because of selfish owners that leave them all day without anything to occupy them. While I agree wholeheartedly that they need items that they can chew safely, I also believe that the reason that they chew stuff they shouldn't, is their way of getting back at you for leaving them on their own. My first 2 weimaraners had every dog chewing toy imaginable, but nothing was as good as the vinyl flooring or kitchen table But when they look like this its very difficult to get annoyed with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I have a little 7 month old jack russel called Leo. I am always at home with him,the longest i have left him was about 9 hours, he was a bit upset to start with but the more you do it the more he got used to being left and is fine with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN R Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I have a Golden Retreiver called Pip. If anyone needs a garden pond dug or just loads of holes made she's for hire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 We go to great lengths to not leave Mac alone for more than 4 hours. If on his own for more than that he gets anxious and destroys things, usually shoes. You can't really have a Dane if you'd need to leave him all day. It's not fair on the dog and they do get very stressed. This applies to Great Danes only, other dogs may not be so sensitive. He's a pain in the ass really but we all love him to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyJawa Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 We have a border collie, Cerys, and she's superb http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.ambrosen/cerys/cez.jpg She gets left from about 9 until 2 and is fine with it, though it was a lot more of an issue when she was a pup............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAngry Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Had a dog before my ex Mrs and I separated. She is a Hungarian Kuvasz. There was no way I could have kept her as I am out of the house 14 hours when I am working. I miss the dog more than the ex! at least the dog was loyal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sakura Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 You ought to try a Weimaraner, they are super intelligent and headstrong to the extreme, I gave up with mine, and let him train me While I agree wholeheartedly that they need items that they can chew safely, I also believe that the reason that they chew stuff they shouldn't, is their way of getting back at you for leaving them on their own. My first 2 weimaraners had every dog chewing toy imaginable, but nothing was as good as the vinyl flooring or kitchen table But when they look like this its very difficult to get annoyed with them I think most animal behaviourists agree that dogs don't have the same thinking processes as humans, so don't do things to "get back at you for leaving them on their own" I agree about weimaraners, and there are many other breeds that are intelligent but dismissed as "stupid" because of their behaviour under stress. BTW - I wasn't seeking to criticise people who leave dogs at home during the day. Some cope with it very well, but many don't. I have two retired greyhounds and two lurchers, and I work full time. I do spend an hour at home each lunch time, and they can come to work with me some days (although they prefer to be at home). Retired greyhounds make very good pets for people who work, because they are used to a routine where they are exercised at regular times, but sleep 23 hours out of 24! They do like to be in pairs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I have a japanese sharpai and he's called Roman, he's lovely!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I have a japanese sharpai and he's called Roman, he's lovely!!! They're the wrinkly ones, aren't they? Great dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Where did you get that 2 headed cat??? We have Neo...a manchester Terrier (not a small Doberman as most think) - Still on the endangered list as far as i know? Quite rare but not unheard of.. He's on his own all morning and sometine a longer day, but he gets treated and made a fus of when we are around more... According to the experts, dogs dont really have much sense of time so leaving a dog on his own for an hour or 6 hours means not a lot of difference to them.....I am reliably informed! He is however kept company by the two "Boys" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Cool. Nice to hear some real life accounts of them being left apart from a lunch time visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steviekid Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I am amazed that a vet can a) state that setters and dalmations are "stupid" breeds; and b) this is why they destroy the house a) I'm sorry, but when you work with all breeds of dog every day you get to know which ones are less sensible than others, and I think if you ask any vet, dalmations and red setters are near the top. I put stupid in inverted commas as I didn't mean "thick", but hyper and overexcitable. b) I didn't say they destroy the house because they're stupid. I said, I hear from owners with these breeds that have problems with this. This could well be because these breeds, being larger, have the potential to cause more damage than others and therefore it's more of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_dragon Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I've got a Doberman / Alsatian bitch called Mia. I take her everywhere with me, when I go to work she stays in the van and sleeps on my seat. We rescued her from a dog sanctuary at 8 weeks old, she's now nearly two. Puppies are really hard work if you work full time too . But worth persivering(sp) with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmatty Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Where did you get that 2 headed cat??? Cool, found them on the bed locked in some kind of fight, played it innocent like, and decided niether of them could be bothered to move, Do look a little siamese twin-like though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sakura Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 a) I'm sorry, but when you work with all breeds of dog every day you get to know which ones are less sensible than others, and I think if you ask any vet, dalmations and red setters are near the top. I put stupid in inverted commas as I didn't mean "thick", but hyper and overexcitable. b) I didn't say they destroy the house because they're stupid. I said, I hear from owners with these breeds that have problems with this. This could well be because these breeds, being larger, have the potential to cause more damage than others and therefore it's more of an issue. What a load of old crap! I'm so glad you're not my vet. You make damaging assumptions based on brief consultations. I can only assume that you are a trainee, and have a lot to learn. I pity any dalmation or setter owners unlucky enough to live in your practice area. It's people like you that cause certain breeds to be labelled "problems". I hope you're better at surgery than you are at animal psychology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Steady guys, lets not turn this into a nasty thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRoy Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I am amazed that a vet can a) state that setters and dalmations are "stupid" breeds; and b) this is why they destroy the house They may be among the more extrovert breeds, and more of a challenge to train, but this is exactly why they get behavioural problems if left alone for long periods of time. Chewing is natural behaviour - they just need to be given appropriate and safe items to chew Dogs that "destroy" inappropriate household objects are invariably lonely and bored witless because of selfish owners that leave them all day without anything to occupy them. Then, after leaving them all day they often go out without them in the evenings and at weekends. Dogs are pack animals, and need to be with canine and/or human company. 9 times out of 10, it's the owners that are the problem, not the dogs. Got to agree, I would love a dog but unless I can work from home I'd have to leave him/her all day. I couldnt do that, its not fair. Cats sure but doggies, no no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRoy Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 fight, fight fight! LOL People get very passionate about animals. I love my pussies:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steviekid Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 What a load of old crap! I'm so glad you're not my vet. You make damaging assumptions based on brief consultations. I can only assume that you are a trainee, and have a lot to learn. I pity any dalmation or setter owners unlucky enough to live in your practice area. It's people like you that cause certain breeds to be labelled "problems". I hope you're better at surgery than you are at animal psychology. I'm confused! Whats a load of crap and what assumptions have I made? I tried to point out in my last post that I don't think dalmations and setters have low intelligence, just that they're very hyper and over-excitable (traits that the general public class as being stupid). Personally, they're two of my favourite breeds, I think they make great pets and certainly wouldn't brandish them (or any other breed) "problems". I also tried to point out that it could be because of their size, and the ability they have to cause more damage in the home that it gets mentioned more. Of course any type of dog can cause problems if it's suddenly left alone for long periods of time with no acclimatisation, just as any breed can turn vicious out of the blue. As you say, boredom or stress is almost always the cause of destructive behaviour and is seen across all species, just look at the chewed stabled doors with horses and repetative behaviour by animals in zoos. Cheers for the personal slagging though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelG Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I got Sabre the Doberman pup 6 months ago, at 7 weeks old, this is him a few weeks ago at 5 1/2 Months. Wee bugger likes to chew stuff, and stand on my face at 5am to go out for a pee lol but hes ok other than that, gets left for some time during the day while hes still young to get used to it. When i am not busy at work i take him up there with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Rosie, we have a large dog (dogue de bordeaux) , most of the time she lives outside we bought her a large kennel to sleep in, she is 18 months old and on her own for around 6 hours a day which dosent seem to bother her, she has turned out to be to a very protective dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Man, that is some dog house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 We've just bought a 11 week old puppy Staff called Casper. He's sleeping on my lap as I type. I work nights so home most of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Rosie, we have a large dog (dogue de bordeaux) , most of the time she lives outside we bought her a large kennel to sleep in, she is 18 months old and on her own for around 6 hours a day which dosent seem to bother her, she has turned out to be to a very protective dog. Out of interest, how much did that kennel cost you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelG Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Out of interest, how much did that kennel cost you? There are similar sized ones on ebay going for anything between £300-500 depending who bids on them. My mate built his own one though very similar at a fraction of the price. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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