Lbm Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I would welcome capital punishment back here in an instant. Great deterent.... As Hogmaw points out - it isn't. Look at the USA. It's one of the most violent countries with death penalty rolled out across many states. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ for those interested. Although to be fair to Scotland, they're doing quite well now in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'm not sure on the reinstatement of capital punishment, I mean, looking at America, it doesn't appear to be much of a deterrant, does it. Corporal punishment, however, would go a long way to improving the state of this beleaguered isle. Teachers, parents & Police need to be able to administer a damn good thrashing every now and then to restore a modicum of respect back into society. The country has been led by wishy washy xtian care bears for far too long and we are paying the price for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Maybe National Service for 16-18 year old would also help some of the little RUNTS roaming the streets thinking their Billy Big Nuts!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'm not sure on the reinstatement of capital punishment, I mean, looking at America, it doesn't appear to be much of a deterrant, does it. Corporal punishment, however, would go a long way to improving the state of this beleaguered isle. Teachers, parents & Police need to be able to administer a damn good thrashing every now and then to restore a modicum of respect back into society. The country has been led by wishy washy xtian care bears for far too long and we are paying the price for it. One teacher recently took this course of action a little far, but I take the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 It is also a damn good deterrent... In principle I agree, but you only have to look at the states in America that still have Capital Punishment to see that it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Corporal punishment, however, would go a long way to improving the state of this beleaguered isle. Teachers, parents & Police need to be able to administer a damn good thrashing every now and then to restore a modicum of respect back into society. While you're on the right lines, that is perhaps going to far. Teachers should have the right to "throw" a kid out of the classroom. Criminals should be put to good use while in detention, and they should not recieve creature comforts to the degree that they are better off inside. I like one sherifs idea of "embarrasment" in texas by marching his crop around in pink vests while on work assignments etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Okay; a damn good thrashing is a bit much, but a rap across the knuckles soon stops you dickng about. I agree with you about the prisons - prisoners should be given the bare essentials and put to some use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 but a rap across the knuckles soon stops you dickng about. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Prisons should be a cold cell with a hole to crap in, a mat to sleep on and... Yeh... That'll do. Meals consist of slop, and plenty of tap water to drink. This will also help cut costs in prisons, leaving more funds for hospitals for those of us who live honest, crime free lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 yeman, that's hardcore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I'm not being silly, This is my point of view which like yourself I'm entitled to. Sorry mate, but to suggest that a someone convicted of such a heinous crime would only get "6 months in a category d prison where they're allowed to roam around the streets anyway" is not only silly but so much so that it's utterly ludicrous. And yes of course you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to point out it's daft. I think what you're trying to say is something along the lines that punishment in the UK is too soft? If so you should say so and not resort to preposterous exaggeration to make your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Prison sentence in the UK is very soft, my little brother was attacked in a park (on the way to the train station) for his ring by a gang of 6 boys. He was stabbed, hit across the head with a chopper, wacked repeatly with a golf club and other weapons. The police & ambulance was brilliant, turned up and even sent a chopper! They had CCTV footage and the young boys were caught (young meaning 18\19). They was sentence to 2 years prison (they was in a low cateorgy prison) how do I know this because I spoke to a few friends to find out who these kids were & what they were doing inside as I wanted personal revenge to what they did to my little brother, the worst was my mum had to see my brother in this state! Luckily the injuries were not life threating but the worst one was the chopper which hit top right of his head which was sliced into a scalp...any harder and it would be be his skull, anymore to the right and it would have been his ear. They are not out on the streets again after jus over a year... why did they not get a harsher sentence one of the reasons was due to my brother rendering one of them unconscious and another member broken nose and minor injuries. He fought back fearing for his life, his not a small guy either, luckily due to his belly fat it stopped a couple of stab wounds getting deeper! Sorry about the long e-mail but these people are not baby's! They understand their actions well! They nearly took someone's life for a ring & his wallet (which only had £20 cash in it) for what? for a laugh. I will be giving them a visit at some point... Personally they should have got 5 years locked up a proper jail (hope they have butterfingers) and then another 2 years serving the community, making use of themselfs! I think this is a fair enough sentence even if it is light! If the sentences are harsher people would more likely to think twice like in the case above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 It's tough when our own loved ones are concerned. But I reckon we have it about right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 anyone got a link to the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 anyone got a link to the video? yes i have but im not posting it i will pm you the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I have read the post's and as someone who works within the confines of working with teenagers with emotional and behavioural problems I wanted to make this point. All the kids I worked with , have worked with or will work with have no respect for the law or any figure of authority. These kids are 15, 16 or 17 and believe they are untouchable, no scratch that, they know they are untouchable. Granted they had a sh*t start in life, but it doesnt excuse the sort of behaviour they exhibit. Recent incidents at where I work include, theft, shoplifting, criminal damage, assault, drug taking, suspect drug dealing. And what do they get in the courts, a slappped hand!! These guys grow up to be the toerags that infest our society, why because they have no moral compass, they will either be the dossers on the streets, in prison, drug addicts or prostitutes. I am in a position where I get assaulted everytime I am at work, and I have to back off. What they need is a bloody good slap, but the wishy washy elite say this is wrong. The guys know this and makes them think they are invincible, it also seems to make them ar*eholes. We need to start young with the parents, schools and police given back the right to discipline them, discipline not beat mind you. But this will never happen and our society will suffer for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I have read the post's and as someone who works within the confines of working with teenagers with emotional and behavioural problems I wanted to make this point. All the kids I worked with , have worked with or will work with have no respect for the law or any figure of authority. These kids are 15, 16 or 17 and believe they are untouchable, no scratch that, they know they are untouchable. Granted they had a sh*t start in life, but it doesnt excuse the sort of behaviour they exhibit. Recent incidents at where I work include, theft, shoplifting, criminal damage, assault, drug taking, suspect drug dealing. And what do they get in the courts, a slappped hand!! These guys grow up to be the toerags that infest our society, why because they have no moral compass, they will either be the dossers on the streets, in prison, drug addicts or prostitutes. I am in a position where I get assaulted everytime I am at work, and I have to back off. What they need is a bloody good slap, but the wishy washy elite say this is wrong. The guys know this and makes them think they are invincible, it also seems to make them ar*eholes. We need to start young with the parents, schools and police given back the right to discipline them, discipline not beat mind you. But this will never happen and our society will suffer for it. yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 We need to start young with the parents, schools and police given back the right to discipline them, discipline not beat mind you. But this will never happen and our society will suffer for it. Even though it has little to do with the original point of the thread as our world is a million miles away from Yemen, you don't have to teach respect by discipline. My brother is 18 and one of the politest most respectful people I know. He was never 'disciplined' as a child, he was brought up to respect his elders. The problem is thick children having kids that they haven't been taught how to look after and the circle continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 It's tough when our own loved ones are concerned. But I reckon we have it about right here. Do you? I would like to introduce you to along list of people who would disagree with you. This country has far from "got it right"..!! There is no deterant, even I as an honest guy have thought that if things got bad enough it's actually ok to commit crime as nothing will really happen to me.... You want to make the punishment as bad as people can imagine. I know people who commit crimes just so they can go back to the easy life inside....WTF?? The victims are left to pick up the pieces and the cops just spend all day chasing after the same hardcore of people who couldn't care less. Wondeful..!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 when i worked in saudi one of our phillipino employees raped a phillipino girl ,got his head lopped off in jeddah square ----justice---- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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