Interesting driving discussion.

[RobSheffield]

Then there's taking it to the next level.

 

This is where you recognise what's occurring, but it's too late as he's already nipped past, but you will & will and shout at the drivers in front of yourself not to let him in - at any cost. Usually some old bint in a Yaris does and everybody's good work gets undone

 

You have seen me right?

[Al Massey]

What space is it you're talking about? From what I just read nobody in those cars was able to drive safely.

 

From your other post

 

So essentially 10-15 cars were tailgating each other, plus not overtaking a slow lorry. Someone at the back got frustrated and attempted to make some progress (he may have known the road better than you), and you shut any gap so he was dangerously left hanging on the wrong side of the road?

 

I would have backed off and let him in, there should be enough space between each car for someone to pull in anyway.

 

So that space you are on about is not for people to pull in after overtaking

[Abz]

Im sure my girlfriend would have done the same at the time... she was asleep in the passenger seat though.

 

Guigsy, think you should stop drugging your girlfriend everytime she gets into the Supe

[AlexM]

So that space you are on about is not for people to pull in after overtaking

 

You're missing the point it seems.

 

The space that should have been there, was not. Regardless of whether it's there for overtaking or not.

[The Restorer]

Closing a gap on a motorway to someone trying to undertake, fair enough. On a single carriageway when you could have just eased off and let him in, stupid. What you did may have been funny but it would have been much bigger of you to let him in.

 

I spent a lot of time driving my Supra with UK plates in Ireland. This meant that I would spend more time looking at where I was going than at my dashboard at my speedometer and subsequently do a lot of overtaking as the locals were more wary of plod. I was driving back to Dublin once, dispatching off the slower cars a few at a time when I saw a 5 series in the mirror. Even though at this point there was only the 2 of us overtaking and I was in the foreign car so wasn't at as high a risk of getting pulled by the plod I moved over and let him past. He thanked me with the indicators and shot off. I let him past because...

 

1 - He really seemed to be in a rush.

2 - I didn't want to feel pressured to do dangerous overtakes in an attempt to keep him behind me

 

Sometimes where there is a queue of traffic a quicker car behind will overtake a few cars at a time to slowly make their way to the front. If the cars in front are not going to overtake then they should leave enough of a gap to let others. If someones overtaking you there's not much chance of them holding you up later on.

 

To those that think it's funny. Imagine by not letting him pull in, the guy would then crash head on into a family car with your loved ones in. If you then read this thread would it still be funny?

[Al Massey]

You're missing the point it seems.

 

The space that should have been there, was not. Regardless of whether it's there for overtaking or not.

 

Ok so there is a gap, he pulls in but then slows down or breaks so he has a gap.

You then have to apply the brakes to make sure there is a gap between you and him, then the car behind has to do the same and so on and so on.

 

And then someone at the back is now even more pi***d off and then tries to do the same but this time a car is coming the other way and CRASH

 

Yeah thats real sensible.

 

 

If it is not safe to over take then dont do it

 

If a copper was behind the BMW he would pull him and not the OP

[AlexM]

If someone pulls into your braking area, back off and make yourself some space.

 

If you have aggression problems, get off the road and seek help - you're a danger to yourself and others.

[The Restorer]

Ok so there is a gap, he pulls in but then slows down or breaks so he has a gap.

You then have to apply the brakes to make sure there is a gap between you and him, then the car behind has to do the same and so on and so on.

 

And then someone at the back is now even more pi***d off and then tries to do the same but this time a car is coming the other way and CRASH

 

Yeah thats real sensible.

 

 

If it is not safe to over take then dont do it

 

If a copper was behind the BMW he would pull him and not the OP

 

 

 

Doesn't need to brake, just ease off. As soon as there's an opportunity the guy will shoot off anyway so you wouldn't have lost any space.

[Al Massey]

If someone pulls into your braking area, back off and make yourself some space.

 

If you have aggression problems, get off the road and seek help - you're a danger to yourself and others.

 

I aint the one with aggression problems?

And i aint no danger to no f**er

 

Doesn't need to brake, just ease off. As soon as there's an opportunity the guy will shoot off anyway so you wouldn't have lost any space.

 

If he brakes you will need to.

And im not bothered about space.

 

But if he comes screaming up the outside and pulls in front of you he will brake as he will be going faster and wants that spot infront of you, and he would want to see past the truck and have a little gap infront of him so he will brake, meaning you have to break and the person behind, if they react in time

[Scooter]

if there is a gap in front of you he will brake into the gap but then go the same speed as you and the car that was previously in front of you, you may wish to 'slightly' brake or ease off to get the gap back you had moments before, but we are hardly talking of major agressive braking of the type that may see a rear end shunt happen are we?

[Hermit]

When it comes to lunatics on the road, I'd rather they were in front where I can see 'em!

 

Must confess, I squeeze on motorways and DCs though

[mathew]

it was a stupid,dangerous and ridiculous thing to do on your behalf.................however i would have done the excact same thing.

[Burna]

Life is to short to play games, I make room for people overtaking in ques like that. Some cars don't have the power to safely over take in some situations, others do, just wave them on the way and enjoy your drive

[Aweegin]

..personally I would eased off so he coulda pulled in. If you were a few cars back from the lorry, 1 more wouldn't matter.

 

My peev is folks who think it's fine to run down the chevrons when a dually reverts back to single carriage, i will pull into the middle to block them..cos, yeah.. i really like having all the stones and carp that gather there showering over me cos 3rd party thinks he'll gain 3 seconds.

 

We all do stupid things..the trick is, to learn from them.

[tbourner]

I've been in situations where I haven't known the road and I've thought it was 2 lanes or something, only to find I was doing something silly by overtaking, and people were then not letting me back in and giving me evil looks - it was my mistake yes but I wasn't being an arse I just mistook the situation.

So now I never block people even if I think they're being a sod for no good reason, especially if it's dangerous!

I'm now one of those people who leaves the right gap on the motorway, and someone fills it so I have to keep dropping back.

[Thorin]

I like how most of the people saying it was a stupid thing to do seem to be admitting to doing equally stupid overtaking moves as the BMW driver.

 

I'd have you all shot personally.

[stevie_b]

When it comes to lunatics on the road, I'd rather they were in front where I can see 'em!

Wise words sir, wise words.

 

My peev is folks who think it's fine to run down the chevrons when a dually reverts back to single carriage, i will pull into the middle to block them..cos, yeah.. i really like having all the stones and carp that gather there showering over me cos 3rd party thinks he'll gain 3 seconds.

Agreed. The BMW, although possibly reckless to attempt such a long overtake, either had to sit behind the traffic or attempt the overtake. Queue jumpers such as the ones you've just described have no such excuse: they are either genuinely ignorant of what's going on ahead of them with the traffic (in which case, they should be made to re-take a driving test), or they think their need to be at their destination is far more important than anyone else's (out of my way, you pesky vermin!).

 

Don't even get me started on people who choose to filter from 2 lanes to one at the very last minute! Nothing I can do about it though, just have to take it like the good British chap that I am.

 

I've spent many years driving a carb-fed single cam 1.1 metro, and you really had to will it to attempt to overtake anything more than ambitious than a bicycle. If you get a couple of low-powered cars at the front of the queue, it's difficult for them to overtake, and hence more difficult for the cars behind. When you've pulled out into the opposing lane, engine screaming for mercy in 2nd gear, it can take an awfully long time for that speedo to creep up.

 

Personally I don't like doing multiple overtakes anyway (not 100% sure if they're legal, maybe they are...)

[imi]

So you would have overtaken at night when you cant see a space to pull in

 

from 15 spaces back, doubt i'd be able to see any space specially the way people like to ram up behind eachother like idiots.

 

 

dont know where the road goes up infront and then when you realised you cant make it barge your way into people who are patiently waiting?

 

I dont need to know where the road goes, it would be a bonus but that is not always the case. all I need is to be able to see a clear patch of road so that I can check oncoming traffic, thats all.

 

perhaps the people were patiently waiting, to me it reminds me of virtually an identical situation where the people were just being lazy and following this slow lorry without leaving much of a gap between eachother for others to overtake.

 

similar to when some people see a green light a slow down as if they are hoping that the light turns red so that they can stop.....

[Al Massey]

people were just being lazy and following this slow lorry without leaving much of a gap between eachother for others to overtake.

 

Why do people think the gap is for when people overtake?

 

It is not a gap for people to jump in.

 

Its a SAFETY thing where you leave a 2 second gap to react better.

 

The worse thing anyone can do is try and nudge into this gap, it has massive potential for dangerous and devastating consequences.

 

The sooner people realise this the safer and better our roads will be.

[Animal]

I dont need to know where the road goes, it would be a bonus but that is not always the case. all I need is to be able to see a clear patch of road so that I can check oncoming traffic, thats all.

 

Then how do you know there's not a blind crest, or corner that an oncoming vehicle might appear from?

[imi]

Why do people think the gap is for when people overtake?

 

It is not a gap for people to jump in.

 

Its a SAFETY thing where you leave a 2 second gap to react better.

 

The worse thing anyone can do is try and nudge into this gap, it has massive potential for dangerous and devastating consequences.

 

The sooner people realise this the safer and better our roads will be.

 

Roads will be safer if people drive intelligently. I dont consider 15 cars following a slow lorry if there is an opportunity to overtake particularly safe.

 

Drivers should expect other drivers to overtake slow traffic when safe so allowing a GAP for them to filter back in is simply common sense.

 

Responsibility works both ways.

 

Then how do you know there's not a blind crest, or corner that an oncoming vehicle might appear from?

 

how much of the road can I see, is that enough for me to even attempt an overtake. Once the person begins to overtake, say they realise that it is potentially dangerous, they simply filter back into the left (the GAP that the other drivers being overtaken SHOULD leave).

 

I dont see an issue if people on both side drive sensibly.

[Animal]

How can a line of cars following a lorry be more dangerous than some arrogant prick trying to overtake them all? What makes you so important that you have to be in front of everything, what'll it save you - 2 minutes?

 

I travel the A66 every week and see this all the time. It's generally stupid, dangerous and, ultimately, quite pointless.

[martini]

I fail to see how a convoy of 15 cars is dangerous.

 

I used to not let people in (when I was about 18 years old), primarily because I thought they were all tossers and should know better.

 

Whilst I have never done this, I have driven straight past about 50 cars quite fast only to realise that the exit I needed to get onto the M62 is the massive queue I just cained it past. A very kind chap let me into a gap - but a white van had previously nudged up to not let me in, leaving me almost stationary in the other lane (hoping an HGV wasn't coming).

 

These days I am a lot more courteous. Partly due to the fact I am older and partly due to the fact that I don't want anything to happen to my car. I didn't want my mum's car to get damaged either... but the Supra is my pride and joy.

 

If you were leaving almost no gap between the car in front and yourself, so the BMW driver wouldn't have gone for a gap in front of you, this wouldn't have happened, but may have been more dangerous for you (reducing reaction time).

 

I would just let him in and possibly give him the finger or wave. Unless he was massive. Then I would just call him a fucktard and listen to my music.

[michael]

When I first started driving I used to travel the A65 every day and usually ended up in a convoy of slow moving cars. One day I decided that a very long clear straight would be sufficient to pass 2 cars that seemed reluctant to overtake another car that was going about 40mph in a 60 zone. 3 cars to pass, lots of room to do so, a run up, carrying speed, shouldn't have been an issue.

 

Sadly it was.

 

Map:

 

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Hellifield,+Skipton-on-Swale,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.998285,-2.190399&sspn=0.03128,0.060596&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FRQLOAMd-h3e_w&split=0&ll=53.997982,-2.189627&spn=0.031281,0.060596&t=h&z=14

 

(Hard to get an idea of how good the visibility is on that but you approach the straight from above and can see the road is clear for about a mile)

 

Chap at the front started to accelerate as I got closer (towards the end of a straight, why?), other cars did the same and closed up as they finally got some relief from his slow convoy, I had the choice of going faster to complete the pass before a solid white line started or to force my way in and cause the cars behind to brake. I opted to push on, I got past and in before the white line, nobody had to brake, nobody was coming towards me. Job done, cursed the driver at the front in my head (no rude gestures) and carried on to work.

 

A week later I got asked to visit the local police station regarding an incident on the A65, at that time I had no idea what it could be about as I'd considered the overtake to be somewhat annoying at the time due to the ass speeding up but it was all legal in my eyes so I had forgotten about it.

 

Turns out the clown who accelerated to stop me passing was a local copper, off-duty but one of those who is never off-duty. He took my reg and decided to cook up a story to say I'd crossed the white line when coming back in, it was close but I didn't touch it IMO. Anyway I had to go and give a statement, I denied doing anything wrong, he twisted things so that I had to reply in a vague way because I couldn't remember the details of something I hadn't done.

 

Anyway we went to court, I took evidence in the form of photos of the road, pictures of the markings, in-gear acceleration figures to show his car was faster than mine (1.4 Fiesta vs a 1.8 TD Mondeo). I put my case forward and denied any of the things he was saying but in the end it was a chap of 18 in a "sporty" car against a copper who could do no wrong.

 

£100 fine and 3 points, TS20 (Failing to comply with double white lines)

 

So in summary it's naughty to accelerate to stop someone making progress but you should also plan your overtake really well and ensure you have the fastest car in the line so nobody can mess you around

 

Revenge was had on PC Perfect at a later date but it still annoys me that he got away with this at the time, the overtake was planned based on his steady speed for a few miles leading up to the move, he was the bad driver IMO but at the same time I guess he was entitled to change speed within the posted limit. So who was at fault? Obviously I think it's him, the jury disagreed *shrug*

[tbourner]

I live near Hayling Island, which is the Sunday drivers capital of England, my mate used to pull people over all the time for going too slowly, like 30 in a 40, they always asked why and said they weren't doing anything wrong and he just gave them warnings for causing an obstruction and possibly provoking other drivers into dangerous driving!!!