dr_jekyll Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 just to throw a wild card in , it could be the oil seal on your turbo> i thaught my stem seals had gone . turned out to be the turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little num Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 just to throw a wild card in , it could be the oil seal on your turbo> i thaught my stem seals had gone . turned out to be the turbo. Would have thought it would smoke all the time if it was turbo seals (or on wot), 10-50 is better for track use as it will allow the oil to get hotter without breaking down. Did the smoke start when you put the 2l's in or before. Id change the oil make sure you leave it 20 - 30 mins before checking the level then each time topping it up just wait 5 mins or so to give it time to get into the sump, i did exactly the same as you moved my car out the garage and checked the oil, to my suprise there was none on the stick, so i topped it up with about a litre and thought brill, until my dumpvalve starting to blow oil out. Stopped checked the oil and again to my suprise was about an inch above the max, but was 2 late i had blown my front oil seal out and done somthing to the pump as i later changed this as well. Since oil pump change i still get smoke on startup but nothing else so job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 just to throw a wild card in , it could be the oil seal on your turbo> i thaught my stem seals had gone . turned out to be the turbo. Ah cr@p don't be telling me that LOL I think I will cry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 I'am just going to get home tonight and sort the oil level out and see how we go, I will do a video of the next start up I do so you can take a look at it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 just to throw a wild card in , it could be the oil seal on your turbo> i thaught my stem seals had gone . turned out to be the turbo. exactly whats gone on mine. had turbos changed about 2yrs ago, put it straight to BPU and white smoke all time, including on start up although not sure if it was clueish. either way if i leave it for week or 2,bit harder to start (takes couple more turnovers) fires and a fair bit of smoke. I bought some 2nd hand turbo's ready to put on and the bloody things still havent gone a yr and bit later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well this is bright blue smoke and goes away after it's started, so like people have said sounds like valve stem seals but will have to see just how bad they are!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 well i hope its my turbo seals iv sent the turbo away to I.t.S and they say the seals are leaking . BUT my car didnt smoke on WOT or normal driving , it would only smoke if id had run it for a few miles and then stoped (trafic lights) and wen stationalry it would cloud blue smoke . then if i drove for a few more miles it would stop . it never smokes wen cold or from start up. hope im not being riped off and my turbos fine . ill have to wait and see wen i get the car back together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Right update I have just got the oil back to the correct level, Got the missis to start her up as I watched from the rear ( That sounded wrong ) And nothing not even a little puff of blue smoke nothing at all and the car has been stud for 24hrs, Where as when this blue cloud appeared the first time on sunday car was only stud for about 16hrs. So if it was my valve stem seals in a bad way would I not have got even a little puff ?. I'am really confused how one day the cars blows blue smoke out like its a trotter van then the next nothing at all, supras really are strange motors . What do you guys make of this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 thats what mines was doing , perfect for 20 miles then a cloud , then nothing again, driving me nuts , more confusing than a woamn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Similar to how mine was. I believe it's to do with which valve seal is fubar'd and what position that valve is in when the engine has fully stopped (e.g. fully closed, fully open, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Similar to how mine was. I believe it's to do with which valve seal is fubar'd and what position that valve is in when the engine has fully stopped (e.g. fully closed, fully open, etc.) So How bad on a scale of 1/10 would you say this is ? because I really dont wont to be changing this before the nurburgring would you think it would be ok to leave ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Mine went for a couple of months like it until I got round to changing the seals myself. I reckon you might be okay, just take some spare oil with you and check the oil very regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Only thing is mate, you wont be nipping to the shops around the Ring will you, you will be giving it ten tenths, and id hate you to end up having to recover it back on a flatbed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little num Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Only thing is mate, you wont be nipping to the shops around the Ring will you, you will be giving it ten tenths, and id hate you to end up having to recover it back on a flatbed its ok the car wont be alone, he can bring it back with mine lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Only thing is mate, you wont be nipping to the shops around the Ring will you, you will be giving it ten tenths, and id hate you to end up having to recover it back on a flatbed I would idealy like to change them before we go, But dont have the money for someone to do it and I dont want to go messing anything up 2 and a half weeks before I go to ring, something els will happen if I start to mess with car knowing my luck lol. its ok the car wont be alone, he can bring it back with mine lol lol thanks for the vote of confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 What do you guys make of this ? .....it may be because when you most recently switched her off the oil had no time to warm up at all...........the night before your smoking incident you say you had given it the beans to a degree so presumably the oil temp was high and so the oil thin. Even with the smoke you described i don't think we are talking much of a volume of oil to create this so just a small increase on the oil passing the seal due to its low viscosity may vastly increase the start up smoke? I'd recreate the conditions it happened after and see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 My philo here about your situation would be : 1. You don't quite know what the problem is. 2. It's not reoccurring (the worst kind of problem to resolve) 3. You're wanting to take the car where you'll be doing long periods of WOT You say you can't afford to have VSSs replaced, which is a £200-1900 job depending on method. If it's not the valve seals and possibly something else, can you afford to have the car recovered/rebuilt/repaired if it goes POP? Which could be a possibly higher overall cost. Just what I would be thinking. If my car was spewing anything out of the exhaust randomly I'd be a bit loathe to take my car to somewhere where I'd want to be pushing it's limits. Don't want to p*** on your cornflakes and ruin your trip dude, I want to go myself sometime but I'd be looking to get this sorted, or at least diagnosed before I went to the 'ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little num Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 AA European cover £70 with a £2000 limit or upto the value of your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) Good points you have there but how can I be sure just what it is, It's looking like it is going to be the VSS, And the fact it's not doing it all time is because it depends what place the vvs has stopped in as I turn it off, But that is also a good thing as it's not going to be doing it all the time and I won't loose a lot of oil, Its not the turbos as there is no smoke under boost so it has to be the vss as there is nothing els that would make it smoke like that, If I go by what has happened and what other people have said it has to be the vss, and if I watch the oil things should be fine, as little Num says his has smoked for a year on startup due to needing new vss, so I think taking the car is low risk of going pop so should be ok to take. Edited July 7, 2009 by j1mb0b1 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonT Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I imagine like everyone else and yourself have said that it is VSS as mine have gone too but yours sounds like the early stages as mine smokes everytime i start it up from cold and depending how long ive left it depends how much nice blue stuff i get! But hopefully getting it fixed soon as its being doing it for nearly a year now and its getting to me although ive been told by a lot of people not to really worry about it as its not going to break anything!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 AA European cover £70 with a £2000 limit or upto the value of your car. Yes I think I will be taking that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 No as said in the first post I checked the oil level and it was not even showing on the dip stick so I put 2L in and now it's well over full. From the bottom of the dipstick to the full mark it doesn't require a lot of oil at all....certainly not 2l. Best thing is to drain some off and refill slowly but surely and keep checking the levels until its up to the full mark again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mb0b1 Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 From the bottom of the dipstick to the full mark it doesn't require a lot of oil at all....certainly not 2l. Best thing is to drain some off and refill slowly but surely and keep checking the levels until its up to the full mark again Thanks for the advise I did not no that it only took 1 L but you learn something new every day, If you read up I have now sorted the oil level and I have also not had the dam blue cloud again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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