Paul Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Do you get that Fascist (right-wing) parties don't believe in democracy? Do you understand that 'if they got in' you wouldn't be allowed to vote? there would be no democracy? So a vote for the BNP (not that you did, mind) is a vote against democracy? And that's fact is it? Getting a bit paraniod aren't we? You guys just make it up in the hope that people believe you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Racist !! So none of those bankers were coloured? I would wager that most of them were white. I think most of the middle/upper classes in this country would be white. How is that racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 And that's fact is it? Getting a bit paraniod aren't we? You guys just make it up in the hope that people believe you Yes. It's a fact. Check it out. Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 As said before I didn't vote BNP, I do support a democracy though and the communist type brainwashing against them was disgusting so I'm happy they got a couple of seats purely for that reason. It shows that you don't understand Communism if you think that. To me the whole anti-BNP thing is about not allowing a party into power that would erode the civil liberties of a great many people and foster hatred towards anyone who isn't white. It's about caring that other people don't get abused and sh*t on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I would wager that most of them were white. I think most of the middle/upper classes in this country would be white. How is that racist? I wouldn't have got away with the opposite statement would I? That's where this whole divide starts imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 And that's fact is it? Getting a bit paraniod aren't we? You guys just make it up in the hope that people believe you No. He's pretty much spot on. That is, by and large, what the Nazi party did. So Mike is looking at historical evidence and hoping that WE do not go too far down that path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Yes. It's a fact. Check it out. And I'm the stupid one.........fooking Wikipedia LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I wouldn't have got away with the opposite statement would I? That's where this whole divide starts imo. err... I'm just telling the truth. I you told the truth it wouldn't be considered racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 And I'm the stupid one.........fooking Wikipedia LOL Yeah... they just make it up Paul. Did you actually go to school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 No, I know what Anarchy and Anomie mean, and ironically I meant Anarchy. Can you explain how the BNP would move us to Anarchy and give examples of Anarchism in the policies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 err... I'm just telling the truth. I you told the truth it wouldn't be considered racist? So if I said something that I believed was the truth that would be OK then? (as long as it didn't upset some lefties view of the world I feel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 And I'm the stupid one.........fooking Wikipedia LOL Just because it's free and open to all doesn't mean it's rubbish. They have teams of people who make sure that subjects covered are balanced and in most cases devoid of personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 and in most cases devoid of personal opinion. That says it all for me mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 So if I said something that I believed was the truth that would be OK then? (as long as it didn't upset some lefties view of the world I feel) If you believe it to be true then you'll also be able to back it up with facts and your arguments would also stand up to scrutiny and their place amongst alternative viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 That says it all for me mate Some personal opinion is allowed. It's rare and often only allowed where the author is also the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 But how can you stop a party coming to power in a democracy if they are voted in. If voters care more about how their taxes are spent than the possibility of a Fascist State, then the current parties need to work together, not against each other. But then it would be a monopoly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Fair enough, anyway night guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 So if I said something that I believed was the truth that would be OK then? (as long as it didn't upset some lefties view of the world I feel) So do you believe that most of the middle/upper classes in this country are black? That would be an interesting statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Just because it's free and open to all doesn't mean it's rubbish. Are you actually having a conversation about the validity of Wikipedia? I'm still in disbelief that I had to point out the meaning of Fascism to a grown man... and he's making like my sources are biased? Is this not something everyone knows? err....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 But how can you stop a party coming to power in a democracy if they are voted in. If voters care more about how their taxes are spent than the possibility of a Fascist State, then the current parties need to work together, not against each other. But then it would be a monopoly. Let's gloss over the reality that we don't have true democracy only the illusion of it. I think there needs to be a system of voter eduction and compulsory voting. Make people read the arguments for and against ALL the parties and also educate them as to what party policies mean for the future of the country in general. Assuming that we have some way of measuring that Voter X is making an informed decision with a lot of thought behind it then, if we do end up with a fascist state, so be it. I do believe though that, when presented with the whole story, people wouldn't vote BNP. Nor would they vote to abolish goverment, state control and wage slavery. We'd end up with a middle ground that some liked and some didn't but one that would be free of extreme viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Are you actually having a conversation about the validity of Wikipedia? I blame the BNP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 I wouldn't rise to it. Some people you can teach, others you really can't. From the literature that's came through my door, the BNP appeals to the lowest common denominator of society and from the footage I saw on tv tonight they seem to be the only ones who voted, if at all - fairly shocking in itself really. I think the Daily Telegraph have a lot to answer for. They turned this election into a row over MP's expenses. People weren't voting for who would do the best job for us in Europe - many people got so disillusioned with politics they didn't vote at all. This is why results like this happen. Of course the expenses scandal should have been brought to light, but it had nothing to do with European or local elections and it could have waited. There was (never is?) any focus on what Europe does for us as a country. All the media ever reports on is the "crazy eurocrats" stuff. The thing to remember is that BNPs are not on the up rise, they just got lucky as no one voted for anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think the Daily Telegraph have a lot to answer for. They turned this election into a row over MP's expenses. People weren't voting for who would do the best job for us in Europe - many people got so disillusioned with politics they didn't vote at all. This is why results like this happen. A really good point. It's like those greatest songs/films/books/whatevers of the last 100 years! The top places are usually populated by recent releases because that's all that people can remember when they don't think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I'm sorry but that's utter rubbish. As Labours policies have 'mellowed' as you put it, they've almost become the same bunch of idiots the Torries always were. Which is why we have almost ten pages of this thread of people either saying they don't want to vote, or they're voting 'extreme' (BNP). At least when Labour supported the working classes, and the Torries looked after their perverted public school boy friends you knew where you were. These days they're all the same. It's safe to say this is a time of political unrest. Hoping for 'more mellow' policies from an extreme group of right-wing fascists is just hilarious. I think you utterly missed the point of my post..I was trying to suggest that as Labour went from extreme left to centre as their popularity grew I am hoping the BNP would too... Ie be less racist and more mainstream. Bearing in mind you have ranted for 10 pages about how racist the bnp are can you clarify why my suggestion of the bnp potentially mellowing appears to have upset you? What's utter rubbish with my opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Speak to Simon Cowell, I'm sure if there was show like Britain has talent but for the politicians instead, it would receive better coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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