suprarob Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 i've just read through that article and i can see 2 major problems, where is the money coming from for a national network? and who will agree to having a big brother tracker being installed in there car? private company will provide the funding (they would make a fortune) and make all manufactures fit them to new cars there is also another spin off if they can track you then they know how quickly you are going from A to B nip in the post job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 private company will provide the funding (they would make a fortune) and make all manufactures fit them to new cars there is also another spin off if they can track you then they know how quickly you are going from A to B nip in the post job done F**K that... Im not going around with one of those in my car! Its just like the ankle trackers that criminals have to wear... And Im not a F***ing criminal.. This would be the last straw with me and I feel I would not be alone... It would just take a few of us to rise up and the rest would follow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 oh yes speeking of charges read this road charging This is nothing but extortion but of course it'll be implemented whether we like it or not. I for one won't be coming back to the UK to get shafted though.... We need a 'middle finger' smiley... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 This would be the last straw with me and I feel I would not be alone... It would just take a few of us to rise up and the rest would follow! Me too, we get enough shit as drivers already. The fuel 'go slows' and stuff never seem to work though, what else can we do? As for the banning of Top Gear, it's the only real vent of motoring aggression I get, so if it's banned I'll have to address that aggression on the roads instead!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulfurn Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 "those from the 'get out of my way' school of driving " Yeah. he's probably one of those cunts that just sits in middle lane doing 50mph on a motorway when there is noone else on it. Top Gear IMHO is great. They test drive cars us mere mortals can only dream about. Yet there is always some pathetic excuse for a human being trying to cause upset, in this case, to what seems such an inoffensive program. I really, really, hate people like him who try and force their values onto us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidd Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 maybe sympathise by watching TG wearing your slippers or even driving in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulfurn Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 F**K that... Im not going around with one of those in my car! Its just like the ankle trackers that criminals have to wear... And Im not a F***ing criminal.. This would be the last straw with me and I feel I would not be alone... It would just take a few of us to rise up and the rest would follow! Too bloody true, and what about privacy rights etc? IMHO they are foolish beyond belief if they think they can charge drivers by the mile using technology, and that people wont use technology "back at them" if you will excuse the poor grammar. If a system like this DOES become commonplace there will be some sort of modifcation you make to the technology (similar to chipping an xbox or PS2 if you will) that will enable drivers to circumvent this tracking. Available on the black market of course There will be an absolutely HUGE market for this - just look how big the market became for console chips, and they are a niche market. This particular law will affect everyone with a car! Desperate times call for desperate measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I just wish. IwishIwishIwish that there was a way that ALL road users from private car drivers to haulage companies could show the country just how much they depend on us. All it would take was a 100% co-ordinated non-use of all vehicles for one whole week. The country would be on its knees in two or three days - I bet you. Then we could all say "There you go, you have what you want. No cars on the road at all. Or would you rather leave us alone so we can just get on with helping you run this place? Thought so. Thanks." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Even if everyone left their cars at home and got the bus for a week!! That's basically what they say they want to happen. It'd still cripple the country and we wouldn't lose our jobs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I just wish. IwishIwishIwish that there was a way that ALL road users from private car drivers to haulage companies could show the country just how much they depend on us. All it would take was a 100% co-ordinated non-use of all vehicles for one whole week. The country would be on its knees in two or three days - I bet you. Then we could all say "There you go, you have what you want. No cars on the road at all. Or would you rather leave us alone so we can just get on with helping you run this place? Thought so. Thanks." I would be MORE than willing do do this! For a VERY good cause... They penalise us to no extent but dont think about how they themselves get around and their food arrives and everything in the country gets done! It would be good to bring the government to its knees and get them to retreat with all this motoring BS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Peace Posted April 13, 2005 Author Share Posted April 13, 2005 I just wish. IwishIwishIwish that there was a way that ALL road users from private car drivers to haulage companies could show the country just how much they depend on us. All it would take was a 100% co-ordinated non-use of all vehicles for one whole week. The country would be on its knees in two or three days - I bet you. Then we could all say "There you go, you have what you want. No cars on the road at all. Or would you rather leave us alone so we can just get on with helping you run this place? Thought so. Thanks." That would have the opposite effect i reckon...bit like when they grounded all the planes on 9/11 the tempeture dropped and there was less pollution...people would be commenting how clean the air was on that day.. I reckon a blockade in Parliment square or something like that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Global warming? Yeah, it happens. Caused by humans in 80 years flat? I don't think so What hubris. Unless of course the temperature of the Earth has been stable for millions of years before we popped into existence, and not in fact fluctuating up and down like a whore's drawers and oh look we are just about ready for a hot cycle... If emissions need to be cut, how about cutting air travel to necessity only? Because a) I reckon planes pump *really* nasty shit directly into the upper atmosphere, and b) I don't like flying Same basic arguments as Transport 55378008 with the same scientific backing lol -Ian You are kidding, right? I mean about global warming not being related to human action? The overwhelming majority of scientists from many disciplines are now convinced that the speed of recent changes are unlike those seen in previous climate shifts (except from events such as volcanic eruptions, meteorites, etc). In fact, they are about as close to consensus as scientists ever get when dealing with a hugely complex issue. You'll be quoting that bogus American '10,000 scientists refute climate change' survey next (the one where the signatories turned out to include Ginger Spice and the cast of M*A*S*H) Have to agree about air travel, though. Although I love the low airfares, the effects are many times worse than driving. In terms of emissions/passenger, presumably the only thing worse is space travel. Edited to add: a quick search just turned up that the US government scientists (the last bastion of resistance) finally accepted the reality of man-made change in August last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 You are kidding, right? I mean about global warming not being related to human action? Oops, I wasn't. Seems like I was slightly wrong then (you hippie haha) Maybe we've just accelerated a natural wossname a bit? Wasn't it like mega cold in the 1800's and the Thames froze over? Didn't that all change really quickly without our assistance? -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashpoint Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Oops, I wasn't. Seems like I was slightly wrong then (you hippie haha) Maybe we've just accelerated a natural wossname a bit? Wasn't it like mega cold in the 1800's and the Thames froze over? Didn't that all change really quickly without our assistance? -Ian 1800's was the mid to end of the industrial revolution*in the UK but the start in the rest of europe, and yes it did warm up quick after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 That would have the opposite effect i reckon...bit like when they grounded all the planes on 9/11 the tempeture dropped and there was less pollution...people would be commenting how clean the air was on that day.. I reckon a blockade in Parliment square or something like that..Nope. Remember the fuel protests? When things started to get dicey after three or four days the government started to put a lot of negative "spin" on indicents in hospitals caused by supplied not getting through. IMHO the way thet news was managed played a big part in how the protests ended. I'm convinced it would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Have to agree about air travel, though. Although I love the low airfares, the effects are many times worse than driving. In terms of emissions/passenger, presumably the only thing worse is space travel. Don't some rocket engines spurt out steam? The ones that are fuelled with hydrogen and oxygen. Not sure about that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Don't some rocket engines spurt out steam? The ones that are fuelled with hydrogen and oxygen. Not sure about that... Ah, yes, those sorts of rockets. Ermmm, obviously what I meant was that it took huge amounts of energy to produce/extract hydrogen and oxygen and it was that which produced all the emissions. Honest. What I meant to say was they are the worst in terms of energy expenditure/passenger. Curses. With regard to when climate change started, some say that the process began with the agrarian revolution (or even with the start of agriculture), but most agree that it really took off in the 1880s. Apparently, at present, the climate should be cooling due to volcanic action but this has been more than offset by human activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Can’t wait to see the viewing figures on the virtues of sensible driving in a mica or electric powered car. Could rival programs on watching skin form on custard, paint dry, grass grow. Feature articles; seven ways to pack the weekly shopping in a clog. Etc. Pressure groups my arse, I want a ban on cash making speed cameras, prats that drive in the outside lane at 10 mph below the speed limt but that isn't going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Ah, yes, those sorts of rockets. Ermmm, obviously what I meant was that it took huge amounts of energy to produce/extract hydrogen and oxygen and it was that which produced all the emissions. Honest. Nooo. Hydrogen and Oxygen are extracted from angel's farts. The self same farts power the turbines that create limitless, clean, free electricity to power "alternative feuled vehicles" that the environmentalists and people who don't have to drive long diatances always bang on about. Not sure why we even need those big messy oil, gas, coal and nuclear fired powerplants these days at all, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Nooo. Hydrogen and Oxygen are extracted from angel's farts. The self same farts power the turbines that create limitless, clean, free electricity to power "alternative feuled vehicles" that the environmentalists and people who don't have to drive long diatances always bang on about. Not sure why we even need those big messy oil, gas, coal and nuclear fired powerplants these days at all, really. Agreed, we're totally f**ked even if we drive round in hydrogen powered 'clogs'. Still needs carbon-fueled technology to obtain the' clean' fuels. Unless somebody clever engineers bacteria to do it efficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I'm sure there are perfectly efficient and clean modes of transport somewhere, and the patents are all owned by the big car and oil companys. They're just getting the most they can out of what's left of the oil before miraculously 'developing' this wonder vehicle at the last minute, therefore saving us all!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Peace Posted April 13, 2005 Author Share Posted April 13, 2005 Pressure groups my arse, I want a ban on cash making speed cameras, prats that drive in the outside lane at 10 mph below the speed limt but that isn't going to happen I agree...I was sat behind a bus today it had one passenger and you should of seen the shit that was coming out of the exhaust...all to transport 'One' person. When will they understand...Busses are ugly, take up too much room, too slow, dont go anywhere you wanna go and create far more pollution. Ok ok so they have a token few..gas powered ones well its a joke! All these stupid keep fit fanatics on bikes with red Lycra shorts where ther bum looks like two slices of edam, they are ugly too..I dont wanna look at that in the morning whilst eating a bacon roll. The oil companies togetehr with the Government need to go ahead with the technology that we all know they already have...balls in their court not ours. Believe me I have tried busses and trains they are too unreliable...though if I go into london I am lucky to have a fairly good train service and its almost a pleasure...but for the rest of the time it isn't an option and even if it was...its my right to drive...the pollution is the responsibility of the fat bastards who are raping the Earth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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