Stonkin Posted May 11, 2009 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 Does it make any difference if your drunk? as in would you be more willing to 'push' if your a bit tipsy? The girls there said they had only ever done it sober, but it almost made them feel drunk at the times before. They also said they had never had such a violent experience as this particular game we had, to the point where one of them jumped out for 20 mins as she was shaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 only if it was a gay ghost "But I'm the only gay in the graveyard....". That's it, I'm sleeping with one eye open and my rear firmly clenched. Its fun As i said, we did it LOADS when we were teenagers. Its like psychics and all that stuff, if there was anything there to tap into, the scientific community would have already. I think the scientific community doesn't yet have the tools (insert your own joke about Derek Accora here) to tap into this stuff. Many times in history, scientists have thought they've pretty much got the universe's workings sewn up. Then along comes something else to blow that out of the water. It happened with quantum mechanics and relativity, *maybe* it could happen with supernatural stuff... Mike/Scott raised a good point about these "spirits" only coming out to play when presented with an upside-down tumbler and a weird-looking board with letters on it. That particular piece of evidence doesn't add credibility to the "something out there" theory. I know there are other forms of mediumship and seances, but most of those IIRC have been exposed as frauds. Reference "Victorian ectoplasm" for example... Arthur C Clarke has edited a couple of good books on the supernatural. In one of his forewords he sums it up well by saying something along the lines of, "Probably 80% of this book is nonsense. The problem is, I don't know which 80%". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I think the scientific community doesn't yet have the tools (insert your own joke about Derek Accora here) to tap into this stuff. Many times in history, scientists have thought they've pretty much got the universe's workings sewn up. Then along comes something else to blow that out of the water. It happened with quantum mechanics and relativity, *maybe* it could happen with supernatural stuff... When you say Science 'doesn't have the tools to tap into this stuff', it depends on if you mean theoretically or evidentially. With regard to theory, I agree with your comment that scientific theories can always be replaced with new ones that explain new findings. And maybe there is some as yet unguessed explanation for 'paranormal' phenomena. However, I would say that the tools that science has for assessing the evidence for psychic claims are perfectly adequate. They are the same methods that Science would be apply to any other claim, and are really only common-sense safeguards. So for example, there would need to be measures to guard against investigator bias, participant effects, fraud, statistical anomalies and so on. When you take ouija boards and so on out of the living room and into the lab, psychic effects vanish pretty quickly.* Disappointed psychics practise "loophole-ism" to explain their dismal performances under such conditions. To my mind, despite years of trying, paranormal research has drawn a big, fat blank. Science would need to produce a new theory that accommodated the spirit world if there was something that couldn't be explained by existing - mainly psychology based - theory. But that 'something' hasn't been demonstrated. I'm intrigued by Digsy's observations, but maybe it only demonstrates that the idiomotor effect works with incredibly small forces. The key questions would be: (1) with eyes shut an only Darren touching the glass, did it continue to spell out anything meaningful and (2) if so, what would have happened to the words spelled out if someone switched the letters around while his eyes were closed? * As Randi and his Project Alpha scam demonstrated, you really need a stage magician as part of your scientific team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Load of bollocks all that stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I think this pehemoneman of "Wow! The glass moved all by itself!" stuff is simply down to this: ideomotor effect. I shall now quote the following from a website because it seemed straight and to the point. "This is simply effect refers to the involuntary and unconscious motor behavior of a person. The term "ideomotor action" was coined by William Carpenter in 1882 in his explanation for the movements of dowsing rods and pendulums by dowsers, table turning by spirit mediums and, of course, the movement of pointers on Ouija boards. Carpenter argued that muscular movement can be initiated by the mind independently of volition or emotions. We may not be aware of it, but suggestions can be made to the mind by others or by observations. Those suggestions can influence the mind and affect motor behavior. What is purely physiological, however, appears to some to be paranormal." So yeah Matt H is right. It's bollocks! Or is it? Edit: Balls. I failed to see Tannhauser's final paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 dont mess about with things like that, nobody is knowledged enough to understand all that, dont piss any spirits off you will live to regret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 dont mess about with things like that, nobody is knowledged enough to understand all that, dont piss any spirits off you will live to regret. Maybe. Maybe not. Over twenty years ago I messed about with this stuff and we managed to spook ourselves on a couple of occassions.. One time I was staying at a farm in the middle of Devon - We started the game and seriously all the cattle stopped making noises as the glass whizzed around the table...We spoke to Judy Garland and everything. Back in the 50's my dad was doing National Service, stationed in Cyprus. One evening some of the men where doing the Ouija board, as he passed by their quarters. One particular young chap ended up having some kind on seizure. They actually called the priest to calm things (him) down. The rather spooky part of that story was when the soldier in question asked the spirit in the glass the whereabouts of his dead uncle, the Spirit spelt out "IN HELL SHOVELLING DUNG!"......Christ on a bike!!! Anyway. It's all bollocks. Right I'm off to sacrifice a small hamster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Edit: Balls. I failed to see Tannhauser's final paragraph. Probably because you fell asleep before the end of the post!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 dont mess about with things like that, nobody is knowledged enough to understand all that, dont piss any spirits off you will live to regret. On the contrary, it's a lack of knowledge that leads people to simply putting it down to the paranormal because they haven't got a logical explanation for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Probably because you fell asleep before the end of the post!! ADHD is on the increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 ADHD is on the increase. So that's one fantasy you believe in then. Let yourself down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 So that's one fantasy you believe in then. Let yourself down there. Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I have had quite alot of experience with this sorta stuff unfortunately and what it has done to people, my advice is STAY WELL AWAY FROM IT... i can tell you the truth of what it really is but you wouldnt believe me... its dangerous, very dangerous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted May 11, 2009 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 Alex, would you mind expanding on that post please, if you have personal reasons of not wanting to then i understand, but id like to hear more of what you have to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 i can tell you the truth of what it really is Where's that "Oh Really" cat?! image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 yeah.. i really dont mind talking, but it jumps into the subject of religion Ok, so im a Christian, I guess u gets pretty much all guess that from my signature... the church has to deal with all kinds of things like this and witch craft, alot of people tend to deny the fact that witch craft exsists or even that witches exsist, but as a person I know they do, and they have tried to infiltrate our church before now. Any way... back to the point... God is real, i know this to be true by the supernatural stuff he does in my life, the flip side to this is... the devil is real also... the bible says that when God kicked lucifer outta heaven, he took a 3rd of the angels with him... they became demons. Those demons are still in this world now and cause havoc, the bible strongly lets everyone know that witch craft is dangerous and shouldn't be dabbled with, a quija board is just one of those things... when you 'contact the dead' it is a demon mimicking the dead. The bible is clear that once u die... you cant come back from that realm, or contact anyone from your previous life. The fact that LbM wrote 'the Spirit spelt out "IN HELL SHOVELLING DUNG!" .... is probably correct and the spirit was telling the truth. Demons will mimic power and deceive, they get into peoples lives and corrupt/destroy. There have been many people in the church that have needed spirits casting out of them/ need healing because of dabbling in these things. They can psycologically mess you around badly... Now, i know some of u guys will mock this... and to be honest, you can mock all you want... but when u see a demon cast out, and the only way that works is the way that the bible says... you tend to believe these things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I have had quite alot of experience with this sorta stuff unfortunately and what it has done to people, my advice is STAY WELL AWAY FROM IT... i can tell you the truth of what it really is but you wouldnt believe me... its dangerous, very dangerous... Now you have to explain, pm me if you like im interested no end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 alot of people tend to deny the fact that witch craft exsists of even that witches exsist, but as a person I know they do, and have tried to infiltrate our churcc before now. Love it mate! Sooo going in my signiture qoutes!! The comedy sketches running through my head now!!!.. such as the wicked witch of the west in Orange Wednesday advert quise walking slowly into your church in a catholic preists get up but a big green face!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 yeah.. i really dont mind talking, but it jumps into the subject of religion Ok, so im a Christian, I guess u gets pretty much all guess that from my signature... the church has to deal with all kinds of things like this and witch craft, alot of people tend to deny the fact that witch craft exsists of even that witches exsist, but as a person I know they do, and have tried to infiltrate our churcc before now. Any way... back to the point... God is real, i know this to be true by the supernatural stuff he does in my life, the flip side to this is... the devil is real also... the bible says that when God kicked lucifer outta heaven, he took a 3rd of the angels with him... they became demons. Those demons are still in this world now and cause havoc, the bible strongly lets everyone know that witch craft is dangerous and shouldn't be dabbled with, a quija board is just one of those things... when you 'contact the dead' it is a demon mimicking the dead. The bible is clear that once u die... you cant come back from that realm, or contact anyone from your previous life. The fact that LbM wrote 'the Spirit spelt out "IN HELL SHOVELLING DUNG!" .... is probably correct and the spirit was telling the truth. Demons will mimic power and deceive, they get into peoples lives and corrupt/destroy. There have been many people in the church that have needed spirits casting out of them/ need healing because of dabbling in these things. They can psycologically mess you around badly... Now, i know some of u guys will mock this... and to be honest, you can mock all you want... but when u see a demon cast out, and the only way that works is the way that the bible says... you tend to believe these things Interesting point, whats your take on ghosts? and such? thanks for explaining yourself btw. I still stick to the "dont mess with what you dont understand" Im not about to push my luck and run the risk of pissing off a nasty soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 yeah.. i really dont mind talking, but it jumps into the subject of religion Ok, so im a Christian, I guess u gets pretty much all guess that from my signature... the church has to deal with all kinds of things like this and witch craft, alot of people tend to deny the fact that witch craft exsists of even that witches exsist, but as a person I know they do, and have tried to infiltrate our churcc before now. Any way... back to the point... God is real, i know this to be true by the supernatural stuff he does in my life, the flip side to this is... the devil is real also... the bible says that when God kicked lucifer outta heaven, he took a 3rd of the angels with him... they became demons. Those demons are still in this world now and cause havoc, the bible strongly lets everyone know that witch craft is dangerous and shouldn't be dabbled with, a quija board is just one of those things... when you 'contact the dead' it is a demon mimicking the dead. The bible is clear that once u die... you cant come back from that realm, or contact anyone from your previous life. The fact that LbM wrote 'the Spirit spelt out "IN HELL SHOVELLING DUNG!" .... is probably correct and the spirit was telling the truth. Demons will mimic power and deceive, they get into peoples lives and corrupt/destroy. There have been many people in the church that have needed spirits casting out of them/ need healing because of dabbling in these things. They can psycologically mess you around badly... Now, i know some of u guys will mock this... and to be honest, you can mock all you want... but when u see a demon cast out, and the only way that works is the way that the bible says... you tend to believe these things I think in the past I would have jumped on this sort of post with relish. I probably would have been unkind in my over zealous approach to tell you're that you're wrong and strange etc. However things have changed. You're probably just a regular guy with your belief system, whilst I am a slightly irregular guy with my belief system. Never the two systems shall meet. Have a good day sir Ps You're wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I really do mean this in a nice way Matt, but you really need to be try and be a little nicer, we all have out opinions and beliefs... respect is a nice thing. Raven, my take and ghosts... its basically the same thing.. demons trying to muck things up... their whole aim is to deceive and take everyones eyes off the real point of life...but I fear going into that hear would become a massive religious debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I think in the past I would have jumped on this sort of post with relish. I probably would have been unkind in my over zealous approach to tell you're that you're wrong and strange etc. However things have changed. You're probably just a regular guy with your belief sysytem, whilst I am a slightly irregular guy with my belief sysytem. Never the two systems shall meet. Have a good day sir See thats what I mean... respect and good humour, I believe one, he believes the other no probs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I really do mean this in a nice way Matt, but you really need to be try and be a little nicer, we all have out opinions and beliefs... respect is a nice thing. Raven, my take and ghosts... its basically the same thing.. demons trying to muck things up... their whole aim is to deceive and take everyones eyes off the real point of life...but I fear going into that hear would become a massive religious debate Ok mate no probs im just interested in these things, therefore i was interested in your point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I really do mean this in a nice way Matt, but you really need to be try and be a little nicer, we all have out opinions and beliefs... respect is a nice thing. I'm sorry mate, but you just said a witch tried to infiltrate your church. I can't type that without a giggling. I just can't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I'm sorry mate, but you just said a witch tried to infiltrate your church. I can't type that without a giggling. I just can't! no probs mate i mean, i guess if u imagine a witch in the classic little old lady with a hat and a broom stick, then I guess it would be amusing How-ever, most satanists are general everyday people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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