StuartW Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I Need (Cheapish) a Good Non Turbo 2JZGE 3.0 engine, and ancillaries if possible. I threw 2 away last year I have a boat, Four winns 190 Freedom with a nackered 4.3V6 OMC Cobra (Chevy Small Block) I also have a N/A-T Manifold and a 2JZ to American gearbox adapter plate! So 80% of the difficult parts for marinising the engine are in my workshop If i can find an engine (And the moderators allow me) I will start a projects thread. I plan to run a total loss cooling system, with extra Zinc anodes fitted to the cylinder head to prevent corrosion. I am excited because in standard Form (160hp) the boat does 48-52mph @ 5000rpm. The Original engine is heavier then the supra engine and the Supra engine has 1750 more rpm, Also being de-catted, having a free flowing 3" exhaust system and an open airflow i could see 230hp+ I reckon we could be looking at a 70mph boat, Which is Very fast on the water. Also turnkey EFI fuelling and great economy! The outdrive already has its own built in self controlled flow waterpump system. So If anyone wants help i would prefer a complete N/A engine, with looms and all ancillaries but anything in between will help. I have fuel pumps and the knowledge to make this happen.. Also an 5 speed manual flywheel would help the conversion. (Can be scrap as far as car usage is concerned)..Again i threw one away recently Willing to travel and collect. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I will have one by the begining of next week. make me an offer. It will come complete. I can also do it with one of nics stainless steel manifolds which I can do for an extra £225. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 It would make an interesting project thread. Hope you write it up Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I reckon we could be looking at a 70mph boat, Which is Very fast on the water. You're not wrong there! I like the sound of this! JamieP'll want one for his new purchase. Just supply his with a reinforced diff. Would it be noisy do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Wow cool, i was only saying to Stuart today it would be cool to fit a supra engine in a boat, he said id have trouble connecting it to an outdrive, is this true? Very interested in this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ollie.G Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 there is a one na engine in Aberdeen, complete, done 168 000km, if u are intrested, can do pictures and let u know price. probabbly have to use delivery service...and its not gona be cheap i think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark newman Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 what will you be doing about the cooling , all the boats i have had and got are all water feed, from gearbox water pump. good luck. you should go for a 55 amg that would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark newman Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 i got a sea ray 18 for sale, with a good v6 4.3 in its been on my drive way for about 3 years all good and still starts fine. needs a clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Hi Stu, I was wondering what was keeping you at the 'office' so late. What are the torque output figures for each engine. I have a thought that the small block is a lot higher than the 2JZGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartW Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 Thanks for all the replies. The Coupling to the Outdrive is relatively easy. You use the original Marine Output damper and simply convert the 2JZ flywheel/Flex plate bolt pattern to that! Another way i might go if i can get a manual non dual mass flywheel is to go the Mercruiser route, This uses a 3 bolt flex plate design. With a bit of head scratchin and lots of ATI conversion kicking around at the moment as patterns it makes it a hole lot easier. As far as cooling is concerned the std V6 uses a Mild steel impellered thrasher type water circ pump. The Supra one will be far more suitable than this as its Plastic and wont rot! The OMC Cobra Outdrive is rated to a V8 Big Block 8.4 Chevy so will take the power fine. It has a wet veined Variable Flow Impeller fitted to regulate the cooling flow depending on revs. As far as torques are concerned with a boat this light i really don't think it will be a issue. However if someone can supply 2JZ N/A Torque i will research the V6 for comparisons sake. My theory is that the Supra engine will be far more "Peaky" being twin cam and higher revving but with an already overpowered craft it shouldn't matter. The same hull i am using also comes new with a 3.0 135hp Straight 4 piece of Sh*t. And Just to Clarify JamieP's Reference to "Stuart" is not be..Must be another about Discuss.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Yeah sorry when i said Stuart i was referring to my business partner, good luck with the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 The bigger OMC will probably have a higher torque output at much lower revs. I know from experience that my own NA does not do anything worthwhile until after 4K and gets on song after about 5K Pushing a big boat like that out of the water will probably need you to get up to revs very quickly and at low speeds that will give you cavitation. Its just a thought but whatever - it is a good project. Now buy my Supe and pull the engine and put a TT in it. Hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartW Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 Hoff whats your postcode so i can google the journey? I would prefer one more local if poss Extendor...You should have bought a TT..You would not be bored and want to sell for "Lack of use":baby: I think a ride in mine once its back together might persuade Mercruiser Marine Technical Data only gived HP figures no torques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Pm'd I didn't actually read the thread properly yesterday as I was at work. It sounds like a really interesting project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 put a single turbo engine in! might role over lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 put a single turbo engine in! might role over lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMorris Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I've got an engine too, n/a auto. I'm miles from you though. Pm if interested. Cool project, that speed on the water would be frightening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartW Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 I've got an engine too, n/a auto. I'm miles from you though. Pm if interested. Cool project, that speed on the water would be frightening! My last boat did 81mph...in a force4, http://www.youtube.com/user/seaworthymarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark newman Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 i feel sorry for the man with the camera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Thats moving, what boat is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy07 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 That is quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Blimey - My first suggestions would be Keron or Jezz, and if you can get one that's 'sort of' local to me, I'll pop it down to you for fuel, if my sister'll let me borrow her car (I don't want to put it in the back of my Sup!) - Oh, and a ride in the beast when it's done of course!... (Cheaper than a courier, and I won't drop it on the floor... lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMorris Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Thats nuts! I remember being taken out in my mates fathers sunseeker a while back. His dad was a racing driver and had loads of cool toys. Fastest boat in Villamora harbour (apparently), in Portugal. Still one of my top 3 experiences. When he took a turn my face nearly met the water, and I was standing up. Didn't know a boat could handle so well. Think he said it was 55 knots (about 63 mph). Not bad for a large boat plus passengers. He had to back off due to sea conditions (we were bouncing off the top of the waves). Ahh, brings back memories..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartW Posted May 11, 2009 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 I Run my own Marine engineering Business http://www.seaworthymarine.co.uk I raced in OCR (Offshore Circuit Racing) for 5 complete national seasons, Being national Champion Driver in 2006. Then i got a offshore catamaran with a 200hp (80+mph), But its demise was quick due to me sourcing the Ultimate pro street Drag supra Thanks for the offer of delivery at cost on the engine, Maybe someone does have one closer to home?? There are plenty more videos of OCR and ME on Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartW Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 Thanks to Keron Extreme performance i now have the N/A Engine, wiring loom,ECU and all ancialliaries here ready for the conversion Looking for a Manual N/A flywheel to complete the parts. I was scratchin my head on how to sort out the power steering on the boat, My original plan was to fabricate brackets to mount the original Marine PAS pump/Resevoir. BUT, Why not plumb in the Toyota PAS pump and see what happens! Worst case scenario is the pressures are too high and it blows hot PAS fluid everywhere! What fun:blink: Think its time for some pics of said donor craft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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