Kearney Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 yer but its not an eaton type. thats what im takling with It needs to be a roots type charger to be a REAL supercharger, the centerfugal one is just a belt driven turbo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 yer but its not an eaton type. thats what im takling with Fairy snuff but could an eatons type charger not be bolted to a plate in the vicinty of where that vortech one sits? I mean looking at it the vortech one is a sizeable lump, and the dissy is not an issue, which I think is the biggest locational issue with the 2JZ lump when it comes to supercharging. For the rest of the chaps looking at this with a VVTi NA then the IS300 kit is a very viable option. I think I'd like a shot at a VVTi 6 speed manual with even a centrifugal charger. I bet the power delivery low down, combined with six gears and a lower final drive would be a fairly impressive on the street drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 Fairy snuff but could an eatons type charger not be bolted to a plate in the vicinty of where that vortech one sits? I mean looking at it the vortech one is a sizeable lump, and the dissy is not an issue, which I think is the biggest locational issue with the 2JZ lump when it comes to supercharging. For the rest of the chaps looking at this with a VVTi NA then the IS300 kit is a very viable option. I think I'd like a shot at a VVTi 6 speed manual with even a centrifugal charger. I bet the power delivery low down, combined with six gears and a lower final drive would be a fairly impressive on the street drive. yer the biggest problem with the non VVTI is the dizzy. the location its going is exactly where you said, however it has to be tilted and tucked to fit in there without hitting the dizzy. also clearance fromt he turret to the charger is so close. without running solid mounts it would hit, however ive bought a TT engine brace and going to be modifying that to fit. i still think a lot of you guys are looking at this as a Massive Power trip! its not for that, its simply to be different, if i only get 350bhp ill be happy, i can always up the pulley or do other mods IF i wanted to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 yer the biggest problem with the non VVTI is the dizzy. the location its going is exactly where you said, however it has to be tilted and tucked to fit in there without hitting the dizzy. also clearance fromt he turret to the charger is so close. without running solid mounts it would hit, however ive bought a TT engine brace and going to be modifying that to fit. i still think a lot of you guys are looking at this as a Massive Power trip! its not for that, its simply to be different, if i only get 350bhp ill be happy, i can always up the pulley or do other mods IF i wanted to The initial interest was because you were planning on fitting the SC to an NA 2JZGE. Over the years there have been a number of members come on here saying they are going to do this, for most it is just talk and you never hear from them again. Some have tried, but AFAIK no one has successfully completed a SC 2JZGE install here. I'm sure a bolt on SC kit for the 2JZGE would be popular if developed, unfortunately the development costs involved have just not made it viable. It's a shame you have now decided to use a 2JZGTE instead, I can understand you wanting to do something different, it just seems a lot of effort for very little/zero advantage over a stock TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 The initial interest was because you were planning on fitting the SC to an NA 2JZGE. Over the years there have been a number of members come on here saying they are going to do this, for most it is just talk and you never hear from them again. Some have tried, but AFAIK no one has successfully completed a SC 2JZGE install here. I'm sure a bolt on SC kit for the 2JZGE would be popular if developed, unfortunately the development costs involved have just not made it viable. It's a shame you have now decided to use a 2JZGTE instead, I can understand you wanting to do something different, it just seems a lot of effort for very little/zero advantage over a stock TT. good points. it is a big nightmare trying to fit it when theres a dizzy involved, bearing this in mind the cost is also huge, i already have a recipts folder for this project with 5k of receipts in it, also put some 360 physical man hours in to the fitting. i also need to salvage those new parts by applying them elswhere, so instead of forgetting the project im just aproaching from a different angle, that angle being a TT lump without the turbos, or with whatever takes my fancy. if anyone is wanting a supercharger fitted to an n/a non VVTI then my advice is Dont!, i have years of experience with charges, fitting them on a weekly basis, customising etc etc so i do know my stuff. the simple fact is on a non VVTI there is no room to do it, unless you modify even a Centrifugal one. on the personal effort one, it dosent bother me, its different, i dont want a TT like everyone else lol, i dont want a n/a like everyone else, i want to takle a different style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 yer the biggest problem with the non VVTI is the dizzy. the location its going is exactly where you said, however it has to be tilted and tucked to fit in there without hitting the dizzy. also clearance fromt he turret to the charger is so close. without running solid mounts it would hit, however ive bought a TT engine brace and going to be modifying that to fit. i still think a lot of you guys are looking at this as a Massive Power trip! its not for that, its simply to be different, if i only get 350bhp ill be happy, i can always up the pulley or do other mods IF i wanted to Dude I was never up for huge bhp!! I would love to see an SC work on an NA 2JZ. I put a hell of a lot of legwork in with a lot of companies to see if I could get it done 6-7 years ago. It was then prohibitively expensive in the development costs. I believe that in the current employment market, competitive auto part market, and the more available VVTi NAs its a more viable production now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I seem to remember a 2JZGE SC install on Supraforums where the distributor was removed and electronic ignition used instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dude I was never up for huge bhp!! I would love to see an SC work on an NA 2JZ. I put a hell of a lot of legwork in with a lot of companies to see if I could get it done 6-7 years ago. It was then prohibitively expensive in the development costs. I believe that in the current employment market, competitive auto part market, and the more available VVTi NAs its a more viable production now. yer all possible, without that bloody dizzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 I seem to remember a 2JZGE SC install on Supraforums where the distributor was removed and electronic ignition used instead. yer that was a centrifugal and i think $25k on the full project lol, i got money but i aint spending that, id rather buy a VXR8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I budgetted in about £7k when I looked at it and that was a long time ago. If you have the expertise and the right starter car ie vvti then you'll proper be on a winner for half that money. I'd still be up for going for an SC supra and I'll put my money where my mouth is.. I'll stick a grand into a project that I think will produce a viable NA mk4 supra supercharger conversion package. I'd expect to see the ability to put it on the shelf as a product as part of that package. So there's a grand on the table, if there's more money where that came from pledge it up and lets see where we can take this. I am convinced that there is enough money in the supercharger world to cover this outlay and make money. Just look at the cash in the IS200 supercharging world. Viable alternative?? Supercharging could be!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Removing the dizzy and replacing with electronics surely would be an easier option than doing a full TT swap, also it would open it up to the market as DB has rightly said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 yer that was a centrifugal and i think $25k on the full project lol, i got money but i aint spending that, id rather buy a VXR8 You need to change your sig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 I budgetted in about £7k when I looked at it and that was a long time ago. If you have the expertise and the right starter car ie vvti then you'll proper be on a winner for half that money. I'd still be up for going for an SC supra and I'll put my money where my mouth is.. I'll stick a grand into a project that I think will produce a viable NA mk4 supra supercharger conversion package. I'd expect to see the ability to put it on the shelf as a product as part of that package. So there's a grand on the table, if there's more money where that came from pledge it up and lets see where we can take this. I am convinced that there is enough money in the supercharger world to cover this outlay and make money. Just look at the cash in the IS200 supercharging world. Viable alternative?? Supercharging could be!! Removing the dizzy and replacing with electronics surely would be an easier option than doing a full TT swap, also it would open it up to the market as DB has rightly said. You need to change your sig ill happlyly do advice and labour, not a problem. i am looking at just changing to elecronic ignition, however its gonna be easyer to have all the boost stuff already there with the engine. let me think on this. anyone got some info into changing to electronic ignition? any kits, prices etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 That I cannot give you. A vvti NA engine cannot surely be that hard to come by especially as they reside in the IS 300's as well as crashworthy supra's. I can have a chat to Arnout in Holland as he seems to be the purveyor of all sorts of oddities. If I can supply you with a VVTi engine can you develop that and take it forwards into a product we as a community can use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 anyone got some info into changing to electronic ignition? any kits, prices etc? I'll have a look around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 anyone got some info into changing to electronic ignition? any kits, prices etc? I stand to be corrected on this, but I'm pretty sure the emanage ultimate had the feature to remove the dizzy... What about something such as a megasquirt (aka Maplin's ECU) to control it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Might be worth getting hold of DaveH over on Supraforums. He converted over to distributorless ignition on his turbo NA quite some time ago. http://www.boostwerx.com/Hall/HallSensor03a.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Another option would be to swap over to an TT oil pump and use the CPS set up from the TT. This does involve lifting the motor out to do it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 nice to see you back in the tech mig My investment potential stands if you can prove it'll work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 ill have a good look into it all and have a good dig ont he net. any info guys would be apreciated. "Dangerous", as much as your offer is generous, i do apreciate it but i dont really want to get into a "you own this bit and you own this but, i own that bit", its a massive potential for arguments. i have the money, not a problem, i have the workshops and i have knowledge. any advice and tech help is always gonna be apreciated though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 i have the money, not a problem, i have the workshops and i have knowledge. Just need some results now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 ok so this is what i need if anyone knows of it, 1 - VVTI engine and conversion pack to change my current n/a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) Dumping everything you have already done to go VVTi just seems such a waste. It also means you haven't actually solved the original problem of supercharging your N/A. Should you want to ever "market" this as a conversion, you have cut out the majority of N/A owners out in one swoop. There's a greater percentage of non VVTi N/A's than there are VVTi's. A kit developed on a Non VVTi won't retro fit backwards, whereas one developed on a normal N/A will fit a VVTi. I don't know many N/A owners that will fork out for a VVTi motor swap just to go supercharger. There's loads on going distributorless over on SPF, and saves the ball ache of swapping motors and electrics. It might be worth you signing up. HERE is just one thread listing various methods of doing it. (ignore the MKIII title as loads of MKIV owners are in the thread) Good luck with whatever you decide:) Edited October 1, 2009 by Miguel Grammar (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barneybrendan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 i wonder who will be the first to do the na -supercharger.recon there should be a prize for one that actualy works on the na engine (with distributor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 well boys after much much hard graft and hours trawling the internet and wireing diagrams, i cant see a feesable system for small amounts of money (that means all the kit needed) to make the system dizzy-Less. so im putting the Eaton charger up for sale or ill throw it in the charger box and wait for a car to come along that wants it, or a monster truck. i am gonna research into the a Rotrex Style Fitment etc but probably not till the new year now, got a mountain on at work. so im not leaving it boys, just changing the angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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