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Car pulling to the left....what next?


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Have changed all the suspension components apart from track rod ends and anti roll bar link (both checked and are fine).

 

Have the tyre pressures checked and it fully 4 wheel aligned but its still pulling to the left.

 

Have you got any other idea's???

 

Jon

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It has been like this for a long time, thats why i changed so much stuff.

 

Can't be tyre pressure as i drove straight out of the 4 wheel alignment/tracking place and they did pressures at the same time.

 

Next step is to start measuring subframe etc to see if its twisted and to make sure its been fitted correctly.

 

With ref. Tyres, its done this for as long as i can remember which means it could have been when i got it, or it could have been after turbo fit etc etc.

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If the geometry has been set up correctly then I would suggest that they would have noticed any misalignment with the subframe etc, if all the wheels are aligned then it must be something to do with the power delivery, could it be the diff distributing to one side more than the other..? Did you leave the geometry place with a neutral thrust angle?

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Check you tyre pressures again. I had a tyre that would let itself down at speed which showed up as pulling to that side. It stayed properly inflated if I stayed below 70 how very bizarre. Other than that you must be looking at the drive train as there isn't anything else in the geo to look at??

 

checked again today, the osr is down to 23psi and the others are 30 so if anything that would make it would pull to the right?

 

Check the circumferance of the tyres incase there differant, best done with the car jacked up and tyres set to correct pressure.

A tape measure will do the job as long as its not to stiff to bend

Interesting idea, but due to my constant wheel swaps unlikely...worth double checking anyway.

 

Directional tyres ? Both sides right way round ?

Fine :)

If the geometry has been set up correctly then I would suggest that they would have noticed any misalignment with the subframe etc, if all the wheels are aligned then it must be something to do with the power delivery, could it be the diff distributing to one side more than the other..? Did you leave the geometry place with a neutral thrust angle?

It also pulls on whilst not accelerating. Whats neutral thrust angle?

what about brakes being slightly sticky and causing a resistance on one side?

Disk's have just been changed and like dave said, he has checked them.

Stop exercising with your left arm and build up the right one a bit more.;)

Sorry, that's the cleanest way I could word it Jon.

Ian ( Dragonlady's better half)

:)

Pump the left tyre up a bit more and let some air out of the other one. Guarantee fix:d:d

:rlol:

Post up the results from the geo setup.

Will get the print out and post it up tomorrow.

Sorry if this has been covered else where, (in other threads), but can you be more specific about the conditions under which the car "pulls" to the left.

I had a search around before posting this up, sorry if i have missed something.

 

The only time the car drives straight is...

imagine a normal road, the camber slopes to the left when on the left side.

If you position yourself on the road with the camber equal it still pulls and if you get right camber it will drive straight.

 

The things i have tested so far are constand speed, slowing down and on the brakes.

Naturally i haven't tested it on boost!:blink:

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It also pulls on whilst not accelerating. Whats neutral thrust angle?

 

I believe the thrust angle is the angle measured from the neutral line running front to back on the car at which the trust force is put through. So for example the angle should be 0 degrees i.e. perfectly acting through the front to rear neutral line of the car otherwise the car will pull either way while accelerating.

 

If you car is doing it when not accelerating then the trust angle cant be the issue.

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I believe the thrust angle is the angle measured from the neutral line running front to back on the car at which the trust force is put through. So for example the angle should be 0 degrees i.e. perfectly acting through the front to rear neutral line of the car otherwise the car will pull either way while accelerating.

 

If you car is doing it when not accelerating then the trust angle cant be the issue.

 

You say that but on decel you'll still get a pull from the transmission side as it engine brakes. It would of course be alot more noticeable at WOT for instance when you really push power through the system. Be a bit like torque steer trying to push the back out in one direction.

 

Cars like these its not impossible for them to have been involved in a major accident in their past and be repaired but crabbing down the road but surely a good geo setup would sort that out anyway? FWIW mine only pulled when the tyre went proper flat and only on accel.

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Try measuring the wheel centres from front to back with a tape measure,any difference in the measurement will tell you if something is lying back, e.g bottom arm or cradle etc. Geometry set up would probably cover any differences but might make the car not run true. If possible get the car up in the the air and check chassis legs and cradle mounts for any abnormalities.

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Noticed you said the car drives straight when you straddle the camber, from what Chris said to me at CoG you should always slightly follow the camber. So on the left there should be a slight movement to the left, on the right the opposite and straight when you straddle the camber.

How quickly is it moving over when you drive as from the posts i assume its more than jsut a slow drift.

Trying to remember all that i was told but are you having to run slightly too high negative cambers because of wheel size etc as that can make the car follow the camber more and if the toes are wonky you'll get erratic steering.

Out of interest did the geometry place tell you that the subframe would need measuring, or is that your own idea jsut to get it checked

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Noticed you said the car drives straight when you straddle the camber, from what Chris said to me at CoG you should always slightly follow the camber. So on the left there should be a slight movement to the left, on the right the opposite and straight when you straddle the camber.

How quickly is it moving over when you drive as from the posts i assume its more than jsut a slow drift.

Trying to remember all that i was told but are you having to run slightly too high negative cambers because of wheel size etc as that can make the car follow the camber more and if the toes are wonky you'll get erratic steering.

Out of interest did the geometry place tell you that the subframe would need measuring, or is that your own idea jsut to get it checked

When on left and center camber the car pulls to the left, when on right it goes straight.

The wheels are stock size.

It was mine and daves idea about the subframe.

 

I have taken it back to the wheel alignment place today, they are going to put it back on to check it.

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